Ebike touring recommendations 120 km a day range with a 150 kg (bike+ rider luggage) and 750-800 wh battery or 2 batteries 750-800 wh batteries

What sort of touring? Unsupported? Did you want flat bars or drops? Whats your anticipated load like?

A few criticisms of the Creo four touring is that 1: it lacks the sorts of mounts tourers usually want, and 2: Specs SL motor doesn't have the best reliability record (which is somewhat offset by generally good service, but that doesn't help if you're on a tour and it craps out). I also don't know why you'd buy a bike with a 320whr battery for touring, even if you can carry a bunch of range extenders. Its a solid lightweight e-road, but definitely not designed with multi day loaded tours in mind. Chainstays are decently long but not quite at dedicated touring bike, so you'd want to confirm that your shoe size/rack/pannier setup works (a shorter rear triangle plus large feet and large touring panniers sometimes means your heels hit the bags as you pedal). Angles are more to the road size (70+ head angle, 80mm BB drop) so it may not be as stable as a flat bar city bike like your Gazelle or a dedicated touring bike once you load 15+kg onto it. Test ride one at least. See if the dealer will put a rack on it and hang some panniers with weight in them to see how it performs.

Not sure about Austrailia availability, but Salsa makes the Tributary, which is a dedicated ebike drop bar tourer. Bulls Machete Evo SX2? Any Bosch bike you look at, make sure it accepts their range extender. Older motors don't.

If you want to stick with flat bars you have a lot more options.
 
Local Bosch dealers telling, has much more support in Australia as Bosch has a headquarters in Melbourne. I am looking for flat bat tourer. People come in with expensive bike that is broken and can’t get parts 2 years later

Will explore aftermarket ebike conversion ro steel framed touring bike that I already have as part of my research

cheers

kevin
 
steel framed touring
Those Pashley Prosperos have touring/bike packing geo and bosses. They come in flat, backswept, and drop gravel bars. And with or without fenders. The quality is top notch with Shimano GRX in a wide range one-by. I have converted three so far. And I totally get it about already having a bike you love. Y will save a ton and have a better bike than from stores.


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While I said "No" to the Creo 2 in the role of a heavily loaded bikepacking e-bike, you seem to be greatly misinformed. We are talking Creo 2, not the older Creo 1.
A few criticisms of the Creo four touring is that 1: it lacks the sorts of mounts tourers usually want,
Creo 2 as a gravel e-bike has all the types of mounts you'd expect from a touring bike.
and 2: Specs SL motor doesn't have the best reliability record (which is somewhat offset by generally good service, but that doesn't help if you're on a tour and it craps out).
You have no service records or even rumours for the SL 1.2 motor reliability used in Creo 2
I also don't know why you'd buy a bike with a 320whr battery for touring, even if you can carry a bunch of range extenders.
Because Creo 2 is lightweight when you need it to be lightweight. Any extra Range Extender is 1.00 kg.
Its a solid lightweight e-road, but definitely not designed with multi day loaded tours in mind.
Creo 2 is a gravel (not a road) e-bike. Its clearances are up to 55 mm tyres. Why didn't you mention that? Because you were talking of Creo 1?

Please do not spread the misinformation.
 
While I said "No" to the Creo 2 in the role of a heavily loaded bikepacking e-bike, you seem to be greatly misinformed. We are talking Creo 2, not the older Creo 1.

Creo 2 as a gravel e-bike has all the types of mounts you'd expect from a touring bike.
While the Creo 2 is one of the rare e-bikes where the front fork has twin bosses to mount a front rack, it lacks the three-pack bosses you'd need to securely mount cages.
Generally the most reliable way to spot a bike intended for bicycle travel is seeing bosses on the front fork.
 
While the Creo 2 is one of the rare e-bikes where the front fork has twin bosses to mount a front rack, it lacks the three-pack bosses you'd need to securely mount cages.
Gravel cyclists often mount water bottle cages on both sides of the fork but not the rack.

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A gravel racer on a 1,433 Atlas Mountain Race, Morocco, happening right now. Is this bike-packing? No, it isn't.

 
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