I think you are wrong on saying "less than 10 % of the miles we drive would be satisfied by home charging.
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"We" is strictly my wife and I. We travel a lot.
Mr. Coffee
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90 percent of the miles I drive are provisioned by home charging from solar panels on my roof.
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Curious, where do you live that allows refueling on the go, so an ICE van doesn't need to stop to refuel? Less than 10% of the miles I drive/cycle would NOT be satisfied by home charging.
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Mr. Coffee
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I guarantee that you spend more minutes per month pumping gas than I do at public EV charging stations.
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DIRECT subsidy to oil and gas production in the US alone, $34.8 billion in just ONE year. take the bigger numbers with a grain of salt - it's impossible to calculate such things and all sources are biased - but the 34.8B number is pretty simple. about 15M new cars are sold in the US each year, and if 5% were EVs in the same year as the subsidy figure, the $7500 tax credit given to each of those vehicles (which is an overstatement since many people don't qualify) amount to $5.6B. so, literally one seventh the actual direct subsidy to oil production companies.
who's subsidizing who?
who's subsidizing who?
Not when you are on a road trip over 500 miles.
We stopped to fuel the Ascent today. For fun, I timed my wife fueling. Started timer when the car was shut off, she hadn't put her glove on while I drove so that took time. Total time from shut off to restart: 3 min 11 seconds; she didn't know I was timing. Compared to ??30 min?? Charging station??
Kinda missed the point that if one is on a road trip one needs to stop to charge. Based on one data point (my brother) on a similar length trip, he stops more often than I do and spends much more time charging.
Does nobody travel? Feel sorry for you folks.
I'm happy for you.
mschwett
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this is definitely a disadvantage of EVs - although depending on your use case, it could be a very, very minor one, or more than offset by not spending any time fueling on a regular basis.
the longest road trips we've done have been around 800-1000 miles. you DEFINITELY need to stop more often with most EVs. however, an 800v EV at a fast charging station (like electrify america etc) takes 15-20 minutes in real world scenarios to add 60kwh, which is 200-250 miles of range. in our case the kids want to pee anyway, one of the stops include lunch, so really on a 1,000 mile trip we're talking about one stop which is a wash, because we'd eat breakfast or lunch anyway, and two stops which are 20 minutes instead of 10. so, 20 minutes, maybe 30 more over the trip.
we do a trip like that 3 or 4 times a year, so that's at most two hours... but the other 30 times a typical family would stop at a gas station through the year take 0 minutes, since the car is in the garage charging, which more than offsets the 1-2 hours on a couple road trips.
it's really not a factor but i can see that there are other use cases, other regions, other cars where it would be more annoying. it needs improvement and it will improve.
stompandgo
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Where did you get that figure? It's more like $12B-$20B. It's also mainly tax breaks, just like your EV. It helps build refineries, of which we haven't built any in a very long time, which has increased import costs, and pipelines, which are continually being shot down by state governments. Oil and oil products are used in just about everything, not just for transportation. These products don't need subsidies to survive, unlike EV's. That is, until China comes in and dumps EV's like they did for solar panels, killing the US side of the industry. Then, as thousands of your fellow American workers lose their jobs, maybe then you will be happy.
I agree, it is fine for some. Not for us. We used to often travel with my brother; still do when he takes the van. Otherwise now meet him at a final destination.
A 4 minute fuel stop for the Ascent once or twice a month isn't tremendously inconvenient.
My brother was passing through the area so we met him for dinner while he charged. Part way through dinner he left the table to move the car (a block away) since it was done and he didn't want the "blocking the charger" fee to start running. That's inconvenient (to me).
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People use trucks for doing things you can't do with an Chevy Bolt. But sure, sometimes they drive to the store and take their kids to school with them also.
Chargeride
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Just watched madmax2, it would be a completely different film if they were all EVs.
Theyd be fighting over solar panels
Theyd be fighting over solar panels
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are you saying you can't do those things with a rivian or f150 lightning? because i'm not sure what comparing a gas powered to truck to an electric subcompact car means.
a chevy bolt does the same things as a corolla or k4 or honda fit.
a kia ev9 does the same thing as a kia telluride. one gas, one electric.
a rivian r1t tows 11,000lb and is similar in size to a jeep gladiator
the f150 lightning was similar to any f150 or full size truck with a 5.5 foot bed.
of course the lightning is cancelled, but comparing subcompacts to trucks is silly, like comparing the quality of cookery of ice cream to a steak.