clanking brakes

spokewrench

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I get up to 23 mph descending a hill near my house. I usually brake at the bottom to slow for the speed bump. Last week, when I applied the brakes, there was a clanking sound. It continued when I released and reapplied the brakes. I was afraid I might be incurring serious mechanical damage or might be thrown to the pavement.

It went away within seconds. I checked the bike and found no explanation. In the following days it happened at that spot several more times. I didn’t know which wheel it was coming from or if it was coming from a wheel. It continued whether or not I was braking, whether or not the motor was on, and whether or not I was pedaling. Generally it clanked once per wheel revolution but could happen more than once.

The last time, when I reapplied the brake, it changed from a clanking to a brushing sound that I recognized. It happens when a pad leaves a footprint after you brake to a complete stop with a hot disk. In this case, it happened with no stop.

Maybe a thicker deposit of pad material on the disc could clank and do so even with the brake released. As the watts of heat on the pad surface vary as the product of force and speed, the surface would tend more to get hot and soft at 23 mph than at lower speeds. I hadn’t felt any lurching or lever pulsing.

I checked the derailleur adjustment. I took both wheels off to better check discs and calipers and make sure all 72 spokes rang.

I reassembled the bike and tried what I should have done several days earlier: applying one brake at a time. At normal speeds, each was quiet. On the hill, I heard a faint ticking, like a mechanical wrist watch, from the front brake. If a tiny spot of pad material on the disc could cause ticking, a bigger spot might cause clanking.

Before the trouble started, I’d left the bike in the carport for a couple of days without riding it. During the night, it would cool nearly to the dew point. If I didn’t ride during the day, there would be no warming to dry it out. I think the pads had absorbed enough moisture from the air that when I braked at 23 mph, the heat could instantly cause a little lump to stick to the disc. When my clevis pins arrive, it should be easier to remove pads to check for pitting.

In 1 minute on low, my heat gun can raise the temperature of the outboard side of a caliper by 70 F. The inboard side gets almost as hot. I heated the caliper several times and have had no more trouble. I’ll keep my heat gun in the garage. At times when pads could be damp, a minute or two per caliper could help the pads.
 
clanking or ticking sound? some discs give you a tick on mine its always the front wheel. ok ticking is normal.
The clanking was what alarmed me. I doubt I would have noticed the ticking if I hadn't been listening for clanking. I'll bet the rear can tick, too, but the sound wouldn't reach my eardrums as well. Tread noise is like that. The noise from the front tells me I probably need 5 psi. The back must be just as noisy, but I don't hear it.

I think I'll warm the calipers before the first ride each day. If I still hear ticking sometimes, I'll assume it's not caused by damp pads.

This isn't the first time I've had trouble with brake material that absorbed moisture. When BMW motorcycles came out with the /5s in 1969, they bragged that they were now using Porsche brake linings that wouldn't fade when they got hot. With conventional linings, I'd sometimes had to stop short from 100 mph, and I'd never experienced fade, so the Porsche linings were for the race track.

I discovered the downside: In wet weather, they'd grab on the first stop of a ride. There was never evidence that rain had leaked into the drums, so it must have been humidity. For a rider who wasn't racing, that was much worse than brake fade. You need very quick reflexes when the front wheel of a motorcycle locks. Like ABS, the technique was a series of very short chirps: lock release lock release, etc. One stop from 30 mph warmed all four shoes enough to dry the linings immediately.
 
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We need to know what brakes you have. Maybe we need to discuss O-ring removal. I can explain more about that later. It sounds weird but it is not.
 
We need to know what brakes you have. Maybe we need to discuss O-ring removal. I can explain more about that later. It sounds weird but it is not.
Tektro HD E350. It was again working fine but for a faint click on each revolution. Using the brake wasn't wearing it away, so I washed and rebedded the disc. Now it works like new.

I got the idea of washing the disc from the other bike, with Tektro Aries brakes. During a month without being used, it seems the pads absorbed so much moisture that they wouldn't hold at first, and they wore down in a handful of stops. New pads restored performance, but breaking hard with the front felt like riding on a gravel road. Washing the disc fixed it.
 
Brakes drive me to distraction, why do car brakes work so well and bikes brakes are constantly dreadful.
Is it the power assist or the components.
My van has ordinary brakes and the pads last twenty thousand miles, they never squeal or fade or make any noise while stopping far more weight compared to braking surface area.

What is going on ?
 
Brakes drive me to distraction, why do car brakes work so well and bikes brakes are constantly dreadful.
Is it the power assist or the components.
My van has ordinary brakes and the pads last twenty thousand miles, they never squeal or fade or make any noise while stopping far more weight compared to braking surface area.

What is going on ?
cheap brakes. get good brakes like shimano or sram or such. I seldom have to do anything on my brakes.
 
cheap brakes. get good brakes like shimano or sram or such. I seldom have to do anything on my brakes.
Amazon says I can get front and rear Shimano hydraulic levers, lines, and calipers for $60. That sounds agreeably cheap to me.


My problems have come from pads. Shimano says if you use resin pads in a rainy environment, you'll need to replace them every few rides. I think that's not all, that the resin can make the disc surface uneven if it comes off the pad too fast. I also think humidity can cause it even if it hasn't rained for weeks.

After clanking incidents over a period of days, a couple of minutes with a heat gun kept it from recurring. I experimented further. After a day's riding, I left the bike in the closed garage overnight, where the warmth probably kept the relative humidity below 75%. Twenty minutes before riding, I gave each caliper 1 minute from the heat gun in case even in the relatively dry garage it had absorbed moisture.

To test brakes, I apply them one at a time. I'd always found that if I wanted equal braking, I would have had to pull one lever or the other a little harder. This time, equal pulls seemed to produce equal braking. I concluded that resin pads often have enough moisture to affect braking, and one is likely to be drier than the other. Before a day's riding, a couple of minutes with a heat gun may help me get the best out of resin pads.

Another solution would be to use metal pads, which are said to have drawbacks.
 
I rode the bike todat in light fine rain, I was in a busy area and the squeal from the brakes was deafening, I had to get off and push for fear of giving old ladies a heart attack.

Recent brand new pads bedded in, Magura brakes.
The tiniest bit of moisture and they squeal enough to hurt your ears.

Wifes base model Shimanos, not a whisper under any conditions.
 
I rode the bike todat in light fine rain, I was in a busy area and the squeal from the brakes was deafening, I had to get off and push for fear of giving old ladies a heart attack.

Recent brand new pads bedded in, Magura brakes.
The tiniest bit of moisture and they squeal enough to hurt your ears.

Wifes base model Shimanos, not a whisper under any conditions.
it can depend on a lot. I have these ceramic pads on my Shimano setup and they are the noisiest thing in the rain and they don't really stop squealing till everything is fully dry. I finally had to change them for Shimano pads. but I usually make some noise in the rain no matter what.
 
Its so hard to find a difinitive cure or any tech to prevent it.
But again why do my van brakes never squeal?
Is it simply the anti squeal shims?
Could I botch my own?
You can buy the kits, might give it a try.
 
Its so hard to find a difinitive cure or any tech to prevent it.
But again why do my van brakes never squeal?
Is it simply the anti squeal shims?
Could I botch my own?
You can buy the kits, might give it a try.
I read of a rider who put Magura MT7 Pros on a mountain bike. The original pads were very loud. Replacement pads started squealing badly after 3 weeks. Nothing helped until he swapped pads with his e-bike. Both brakes were silent. He concluded that some pads are incompatible with some discs.

I imagine another explanation. For as long as I remember, I've used a film of high-temperature grease on pins and backing plates when replacing automotive brake pads. It's a common precaution against squealing. Sliding between the backing plate and caliper can damp the vibrations generated between pad and rotor. I've never heard using such grease on bicycle brakes. Maybe that's because disc calipers on bikes are especially vulnerable to dirt.

There are high-temperature silicone sprays. They would tend to 'repel' dirt and wouldn't be obvious to mechanics. If I manufactured calipers or pads, I'd spray the rubbing metal surfaces. I'd treat it as a trade secret. Suppose the Magura MT7 squealed because there was no lubrication. Suppose there was a silicone film in the e-bike. If he swapped pads, both bikes would have a bit if silicone.
 
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I was getting some terrible juddering from my Haibikes front brake, I was worried it was going to snap the fork !

I guessed the front disc was warped or worn out, so to diagnose it I bought a generic 180mm disc off Amazon for 9 quid, next day delivery..
Pretty cheap.
I didnt realise that price was for two.

Heres the original Magura and the other disc, it turned out they were just a few mm bigger and scraped the caliper, a quick filing fixed that.
9 quid for two, next day free delivery

Should be good.

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I guess leaving the bike in 100% humidity softened the pads so that they could leave a deposit that caused clanking. It hasn't happened since I used a heat gun on the calipers, which I assume dried the pads. The brakes were fine except that the front brake was rough if I braked hard. Washing the disc cured it except for a "brrrp" between 15 and 13 mph, braking hard with the front. It wasn't violent. It was like what you might feel and hear dragging something with rubber feet across a smooth, wet floor, as the rubber rapidly catches and lets go. A light machine gun might shoot 600 rounds a minute. This was faster.

The first time, I washed it in a sink with washing soda and dish liquid. A washed it again, this time without removing it from the wheel, using dish liquid and a scrub cloth for dishes. The "brrrp" is still there, between 15 and 13 mph, but it's softer. My guess is that there's still a deposit on the disc, and I need a better way to wash it.

When I read of your possibly warped disc, I put my finger against the fork with the nail barely dragging the disc. I rotated the wheel. Any runout is less than a mm.

I have a little tool with a nylon wheel in each end. It was made to push in the rubber spline that fastens insect screen to a window frame. I'll bet that tool would be better than a fingernail to check a disc for runout; the wheel wouldn't catch in the holes.

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,.. I'll bet that tool would be better than a fingernail to check a disc for runout; the wheel wouldn't catch in the holes.

I just look in the backside of the caliper and watch the pads as the rotor turns.
It's way easier than trying to hold anything steady enough to measure runout of less than a mm.


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I don't know the runout tolerance of a disc, but nothing rubs if the brake is off. I couldn't get a good look at the disc in the caliper. I found the spline tool. The wheel is too big. It would rub the fork. If I stick my finger between the fork and the disc, the disc rubs the back of my nail like a brake pad. The pressure and drag feel nearly the same all the way around. I did make slight adjustments with my warp tool.
 

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I removed by front disk and sanded both sides with 400 grit sandpaper.
I also filed the leading edge of the pad material at a 45° angle.
That's supposed to help stop squealing too.

When I first got my ebike, the front brake was making a weird sound.
It turned out that my fender was ringing like a bell.
I'd flick the fender with my fingernail and I'd hear the sound.
I pinched a little piece of rubber under the mounting bolts between the fender and the fender bracket, and that stopped the noise.
 
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