where to buy ebike without pedals?

[cccccttttt]

Some bike riders like no motor and all pedaling.

Some riders like both a motor and pedaling,

But I want a bike with 500+ W motor and no pedals. (not a scooter)

Design seems simple enough as there are no belts, chains, shaft drives, and gearing.

Just want to get from point A to B with no sweat.

Any info appreciated

ct
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[E-Wheels]

http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-h-52-hurricane/

 

[rich c]

You are asking about a scooter as defined by law in most states. No pedals, and you'll probably need license and insurance.

 

[ChuckT]

Just saying: why not try pedaling a little, its not bad.

 

[Trail Cruiser]

Just about any ebikes with 500 watts will act like a moped if you dial it to the highest assist level and pedal a little, just enough to activate the cadence sensor. Pick your choice from Sondors X to Juiced ebikes all the way to Stromer ST2.

 

[Mercurybreza]

I recommend that you look at some of the Chinese Electric Scooters (CES) which have small pedals that come off. For some the look is a turn off.
There is a definite need for "Ebike" model as you desire !
If you want it to look like a pedal bicycle; the design issue is, where do you put your feet. The pedal electric bicycle is designed to maximize both pedal power and electric assist of that human energy. A non pedal "Ebike /scooter" needs to be designed with only the power source, hence it is not best designed as a bicycle. To date I have only seen the CES vehicles designed to meet the need you desire. They minimize the pedals to be used a last resort and can be removed. I used a well built model on LA streets for 3 hard riding years, and it was LSA batteries, heavy but was a work horse. More modern models have yet to evolve.
The Ebike is paving the way, with its unique abilities in efficient dual powered systems and is unequaled in that respect, but a larger percent of the worlds populous wants an light electric 'motor no pedals' vehicle as you desire.

 

[Robert W Green]

I hate videos for ebikes that show the riders only using the throttle and never pedaling. It sends the wrong message to regular cyclists and lawmakers. Law makers think that we're exploiting a loophole to get around the law and nonmotor cyclists think that we'll make things bad for them by speeding and misbehaving, thus giving all bikers a bad reputation! If you want an electric scooter there are quite a few out there but you'll have to register it and may need a license and you'll have to stay off the bike paths and especialy the sidewalks.

 

[Mercurybreza]

What ever works for people, pedaling or not - is all good. As for image who cares. I like pedaling but if the ebikes get more people on light Electric vehicles without peddling so be it. One of the first true users of ebikes in the US were Asian take out delivery in NYC . They never pedaled and were usually smoking a cigarette. I found it humorous. But they showed lots of others the potential of these vehicles before most understood it. The take out restaurants thought nothing of buying a $2,000 ebike. Americans care about image rather than practicality. There was a change to the delivery rules in NYC after the delivery ebike explosion.
As for legality small electric scooters are legal in a lot of states with out a license and can be ridden in bike lanes. 20 mph max speed is the cutoff.

 

[MLB]

And now NYC has cracked down hard, confiscating (!) hundreds of Ebikes.
Why?
BECAUSE THEY ABUSED THE LAWS AND PEOPLE SAW THEM BEING USED NOT AS BIKES!!!!!
But whatever works......
duh?

 

[emco5]

With population growth comes the need for more control to maintain order, and the fastest way to regulation and taxation is abuse of privilege. When I read about the Mopeds in bicycle disguise that the people at ES are creating, I cringe. In the US, our focus has been moving away from assisting a pedal bike's hill climbing ability into a quest for enough power to keep up with traffic, and that need is being met by some in the bicycle industry. That change is being observed by government. I cannot shout that loud enough. There is a reason why the European Parliament voted in a 250-watt eBike limit. From my perspective, as eBike popularity grows in the US it is entirely possible that we will adopt the Euro standards.

"We need a clear border line between what a bicycle is and what exceeds the definition of a ‘bicycle’… This is important for clear decisions on the use of infrastructure and facilities for bicycles that authorities have to make on the international, national, regional and local level…. The minute you start changing the definition of a bicycle, you’re opening up cycling to a whole range of nasty legislation… You don’t want to damage the reputation of cycling, and lose all the wonderful benefits that cyclists’ have.”
-- Ceri Woolsgrove https://tinyurl.com/y7g73ab9

 

[Mercurybreza]

The ebike elitism is well understood and will slow the development of all LEV's. The future will require & people will want multiple forms of LEV's, the majority being non pedal ebikes. NYC is an anomaly and has been regressive in its attempts to slow LEV's and most people see the crack down as a waste of time and not effective. Good for the headlines but that's it. European ebike laws don't work in the US. Pedal only is not an option in most states and 250 watt limit is a joke and will hurt the market.
In the golden state of Cali the CVC specifically legalized small electric scooters 20mph max. and no license needed and slightly larger under 25 mph models that need a one time license.
Ebikes are 750 watt throttle activated or pedal assist. This is a framework that should be adopted elsewhere

Accepting that lots of people don't want to pedal is something that pedalist need to wrap their egos around. Yes I repeat what ever works !

 

[emco5]

I sometimes wonder who the real elitists are. If/when national intervention happens, you will likely still be able to have your Moped but will need to register it, attach a plate and buy a tab, and be restricted where you can ride it.

The current California Class-I, II and III power-assist regulations are the beginning.

 

[Alex M]

You are asking about a scooter as defined by law in most states.

Exactly. This is called a scooter.

SO... you will need a license and registration.

BUT... if you open up your mind a little and put up with small pedals, you will get that scooter without much red tape. Manufacturers have already figured this out - they equip scooters with tiny useless pedals, so it technically becomes an ebike and thus doesn't need registration. With 500-700W motor to stay within 22 miles max speed, otherwise you need a registration again. No PAS attached to those pedals, this is not an ebike, it's not designed for pedaling - this is a scooter with pedals. They start from ~$800 for no-name Chinese cr.ap, more $ for better machines.

Ask any local ebike shop (or indeed, a scooter shop) to point you out in the right direction. Tell them what you're looking for - a scooter with tiny pedals that doesn't need registration.

You'll join the club of welfare recipients, people with mental or substance abuse issues, all those who can't get a license, or lost their license due to aforesaid issues, or don't have money for a car. They need to get around the town somehow, so this is what they use - those of them who managed to save enough money. Maybe in Europe this is different, but in the US and Canada this is what I see. No judgement here, just my observations.

Edit-PS: better check local bylaws. I heard some states (NY?) are beginning to regulate ebikes with throttle, so that pseudo-ebike might suddenly need a registration.

 

[JoePah]

Some bike riders like no motor and all pedaling.

Some riders like both a motor and pedaling,

But I want a bike with 500+ W motor and no pedals. (not a scooter)

Design seems simple enough as there are no belts, chains, shaft drives, and gearing.

Just want to get from point A to B with no sweat.

Any info appreciated

ct
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Yeah you do not want an ebike without pedals, unless you want to have it registered and obtain insurance for it.. It's called an electric scooter.

 

[Alex M]

Here is what I meant: https://www.amazon.com/TaoTao-ATE-501-Automatic-Electric-Scooter/dp/B00AW05H88
See pedals in the link? ... Hard to see - and harder yet to pedal, it's a joke, gimmick. Here is a better photo:

500W, no license, no registration.
I wouldn't be surprised if police stopped you now and then for "missing license plate" because it does look like a real scooter.
I saw them for $500 but beware of fake online stores that will take your money and never deliver.
Tao Tao has a reputation as a maker of affordable though horrible quality gas-powered kids ATV.

I would rather buy something like this: https://electricbikereview.com/daymak/paris/ - there is a chain, pedals and shifters - all the things that you don't want - but you don't have to pedal it if you don't want to, motor powers the rear wheel and doesn't depend on chain.

Now, please let's close the thread as it has nothing to do with ebikes.