What is the best gearing set up for an E-bike?

Hope - steel, chromoly, alu
Halo - steel, chromoly, alu (halo 6 drive are 6 pawl, added resilience.)
Nothing bad you can say about either of those brands. But for a BBSHD I'd still want the 18 or 24 pts of engagement you get with the DT350 vs. 5 or 6. I've got one with the 36 pt ratchet and I've heard they can slip, although mine never has. Still I only did that upgrade once.

I've got 4 30a/52v HD bikes dating back to 2017, another from 2019 using a Cyc X1 Pro that has a custom BAC800 pumping out 40a and my original mid drive, a now-crashed Stump that had a Cyclone on it with a 60a Kelly controller. All use (or used) either the 350, the 350 Hybrid or the 350 Big Ride and all either came with or have been upgraded to the steel mtb cassette option. I have pulled a wheel off at 1500 and 4000 miles and the steel body isn't even blemished. The ratchets and hub looked new inside. By contrast the DT alloy cassette body may as well be made of cheese, it gets dug into so fast.
 
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"good one" is relative. All freewheels suck, but some suck less than others :D

When I got my first ebike, I had the wheel off and noticed that the freewheel had some wobble to it.
It was brand new so I didn't know what to think.
I checked my old e-bike and my old mountain bike, and they both had the same wobble with the same amount of wobble, so I just figured it was normal.

Then I started thinking about it, (I smoked a Vado. 😂) and figured that it is done on purpose?

When you're pedaling in top or bottom gear, the chain pulls on the cluster and it pivots a smidgen towards the chain ring helping to improve the chain line angle and reduce wear.

My new freewheel as no such wobble, so now I don't know what to think?
I noticed that the gap between the moving surfaces is miniscule, so keeping dirt and crap out can be done more easily even without a gasket/O-ring.

All my other freewheels readily feed dust and crud inside where it grinds away at everything.
You can't seal a sloppy joint even with an O-ring, so crap is gunna get inside.
 
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10:52 sounds about right, is there a set of gears that are sturdy enough to handle the power?
I totally forgot the Shimano Linkglide cluster is an 11s 11-50T. Every reviewer raves about their durability. Myself, since I can get a Microshift steel cluster in 11-46T for 11s, and its only $65 vs. $120, AND my chain alignment keeps me from using the smallest and largest cog, when I look at my usable gears I see almost no difference in cog teeth.

This is a bike I ended up doing 10s on. But my green bike with 11s has the identical chainline issues. This bike is 26" with short stays so the tire is right up against the seat tube. The longer your chainstays, the less of this effect you will see. That is a Lekkie Pro front ring so it has effectively the same offset (22.25 vs. 22.2) as the Luna Eclipse on the green bike that has the same frame.

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Chain line on this tight rear triangle is so bad at either end I can't use both the 11 and the biggest 48. I mean... I can use them but it would be stupid to run torque thru a chain skewed like that. So, what if you have the same limitation? That turns your 12s 10-52 into a 10s 12-42T. How does that $200 chainring then compare to a $65 (hardened steel and pinned-together) Microshift? Its a 9s 13-40T. The $120 Linkglide becomes a 9s 13-43T.

12-42T 10s (usable)
13-40T 9s
13-43T 9s

Thats something to think about when assessing whether you want to go 12s. You aren't getting much wider range (or you are losing a little) if your chainline restrictions turn out to be anywhere near typical. Especially since a Linkglide chain - which has so far proven to be strong - is only $25 vs. a KMC e11 which is about $55.

You can get your durability and very nearly the same performance for a lot less money. There is a lot more available in 2024 than there was in 2019 when I needed a mortgage to buy the complete EX1 drivetrain for my Cyc'd 29er.
 
Yeah I agree! Every homemade ebike that has been successful with a nice cassette for Hills and for Flats has been a maximum of 10 speeds. Your bottom bracket and Main determine angle of the Chain Swing. If you try to run a 48 or a 52 fast you will scrub those gears in no time. That's just common sense coming from a road bike world. Using a granny gear is meant just for that; going up very slowly, so you're probably good using; like you said a ratio before you max out on either direction.

I'm looking into building a nice fast! Full suspension or hard to tail light bike. And I'll probably go with the Wang Chung or the bang fuc mid Drive Motors. As far as drivetrain, Deora all the way.. 9 or 10 speed would be in the durability longevity area. Just my two cents! Party on!
 
Yeah I agree! Every homemade ebike that has been successful with a nice cassette for Hills and for Flats has been a maximum of 10 speeds. Your bottom bracket and Main determine angle of the Chain Swing. If you try to run a 48 or a 52 fast you will scrub those gears in no time. That's just common sense coming from a road bike world. Using a granny gear is meant just for that; going up very slowly, so you're probably good using; like you said a ratio before you max out on either direction.

I'm looking into building a nice fast! Full suspension or hard to tail light bike. And I'll probably go with the Wang Chung or the bang fuc mid Drive Motors. As far as drivetrain, Deora all the way.. 9 or 10 speed would be in
the durability longevity area. Just my two cents! Party on!

Heres two 12sp

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Just sayin......
 
10:52 sounds about right, is there a set of gears that are sturdy enough to handle the power?
It is not the sprockets that wear first, it is the chain. Commuters with 10 speed chain report lives as low as 800 miles. I get 5000 miles out of the thicker 8 speed chain on my bike. 2 1/2 years. I have about 12000 miles and have not changed a sprocket yet on the bike in the avatar. I oil about every 2 weeks because of the rain here.
If you are climbing 25% grades on the way from Leadville to Aspen after the battery is dead, or a peak on the way to Moab (see In The Americas with David Yetman TV) the wife may need 10 speeds and a 50 tooth sprocket. I suggest you take a $3 level from the discount store, and a $.50 plastic ruler, and measure your steepest grade. Divide rise by run, multiply by 100. I'm fine with 32 tooth rear and 8 speed sprocket with thicker chain on 15% grades. I do not use 24:32 or even 24:24 when the motor is pulling.
 
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Just sayin......
The builders who swear by low speed-count setups are typically also swearing by 8s freewheels and Tourney or Altus derailleurs. And they're throttlers, not cyclists. They see more expensive 10s+ setups as delicate and don't understand the 'more durable' part.
Every homemade ebike that has been successful with a nice cassette for Hills and for Flats has been a maximum of 10 speeds.
See above. This is completely wrong. Its builders only knowing a little about what they are doing and thinking because thats all they know, thats the way it is.
If you try to run a 48 or a 52 fast you will scrub those gears in no time. That's just common sense coming from a road bike world.
What? I come from that world dating back as far as the mid 1970's and nobody ever told me that or worried about it. I used a big 52T ring on the front and at times, a straight block on the back (12-18T 6 spd, and never more than a 12-21T). Now, with that said, a powerful mid drive with a big chainring is ALMOST always the wrong answer. The issue is bogging the motor, which a big chainring will do since a 1750w (30a/52v) BBSHD is not all-powerful. Also you are applying torque on a skewed chain if you are using that 52T on your 11T cog, and tripling up that error vis-a-vis minimal tooth engagement. But if you are a smart builder with the right circumstances, it can work great. Look at Post #5 and see a 52T ring on a 30a BBSHD that saw duty on flat land and had straight chainline in the middle of the 11s cluster. I never needed to shift more than 2 gears in either direction thanks to the flat land. That was the chain that lasted 4 years and 4200 miles before I changed the drivetrain to the other setup you see in the same post.

'Scrubbing gears' comes from running the chain when its skewed over. Turns the chain into a chain saw. Thats rider error, and possibly builder error depending on how bad it is. Don't blame the equipment.

As far as drivetrain, Deora all the way.. 9 or 10 speed would be in the durability longevity area. Just my two cents! Party on!
If you do 9s Deore, do the pinned-together-steel HG400 cassette. But 9s components being desirable is very 2019. Step up to 2025 and you can find steel-is-real stuff that is also inexpensive. Or drink the Kool Aid and go all Shimano Linkglide, which is 11s but you will spend double what you need to if you instead buy smart.

For me the sweet spot is 11s (and one 10s with an 11s chain). 12s you can start to see things like chains snapping. Most of this is rooted in operator error (shifting under power on singletrack) or using smaller teeth on 12s-compatible chainrings, that let the chain jump and shock the hell out of it. Even the chain jumps can be operator error (they were for me) trying to be in a gear that would be fine on an 11s with longer-toothed chainrings but on a 12s Lekkie Pro: not. A different tooth profile that fits a 12s chain would also solve that issue. But here again you need to be a builder that knows your components and the resulting chainline to pick the right stuff. 12s fails are more likely, but not failures of the platform itself.
 
Its builders only knowing a little about what they are doing and thinking because thats all they know, thats the way it is.
You just described a large swath of internet content creators and their viewers.

With critical thinking becoming a lost art, many really believe that they can learn everything they need to know about complicated subjects from a single paragraph or soundbite with only one point of view.

Feed them authoritative-sounding mis- or disinformation that makes them feel angry, frightened, or like an insider on some dirty secret, and they'll spread it like wildfire without checking a fact or asking who benefits.
 
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its possible to overthink the whole affair get a light hybrid 2x11 with a nice quiroll booster and I have a feeling that she wont have any trouble doing 18 mph on slight grades or basically level(railroad grades) the quiroll should be more than adequate for 300 yd grades,I have watched these older dedicated cyclists spinning a 2x11 on steep grades and its rather impressive what they can do.
 
I always overthink everything.

Now I'm thinking that my new freewheel might scrub in top and bottom gears because it doesn't wobble like the original ?

Oh well,.. I don't pedal anyway. 😂
I'll just keep it in middle gear where things line up better.
One reason I'm loving my Rohloff... Chain line is always straighter than a NASA laser.
 
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