The original torque wrench is still the best!

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As of 1990, the Chinese owned more than one bicycle per household. These days, 4 times more e-bikes are sold in China than in the rest of the world combined. Chinese cyclists must know the importance of proper tightening of fasteners. Traditionally, bicycle manufacturers provided sheet-metal multitools with suitable leverage for each size of hex fastener. The use of Allen screws on Chinese bikes didn't make sense to me. With a folding set or bits, the same leverage is used for all sizes. Single keys often have handles that invite over torquing.

On my fourth e-bike, at least 10 Allen screws have torque specs painted in white on black. That's much better than trying to remember a bike manufacturer’s spec and hoping it's correct. Still, I wondered how painted specs were supposed to help most of China’s 200 million e-bike owners. Earning about $70 a week in urban areas and $20 in rural areas, few would have torque wrenches.

Then I remembered the Allen keys in the tool kits of two BMW motorcycles. They took the guesswork out of torquing. I’d tighten until the end of the handle started to hurt my hand. The results seemed consistent and appropriate for each size of screw.

I looked into it. Most L-shaped hex keys are not really Allen keys. To a mechanical engineer, each size Allen key has a handle of a certain length, with a tolerance of about 2%. In ANSI (inch) keys, the Long Series has been standard since the introduction of Class 5 bolts about a century ago. In ISO (metric) keys, the so-called Short Series is standard. The arm lengths of these two standard sets are similar.

In 1875, Allan Cummings patented the socket screw, but mass production wasn’t feasible. In 1906, Peter Robinson found that if a square socket were tapered and beveled, screws could be formed by machines. He got a Canadian patent in 1909.

The same year, William Allen of Hartford got a patent for a method to manufacture hex socket screws. In 1910 he got a trademark for Allen keys. In 1911, Standard Pressed Steel began producing hex socket screws and hex keys. They made good screws, but tool makers had such regard for Allen's keys that hex socket screws were known as Allen screws.

The biggest employment area for tool makers was designing industrial tools and machinery. Reliability was vital because unplanned down time was costly. There were no torque wrenches.

Nowadays, their second biggest area of employment is designing motor vehicle parts. I had a car whose lug wrench had a handle that was shorter than usual, and its end was a prying blade. I couldn’t turn the lug nuts as tight as I thought necessary. Later I saw the torque spec for those nuts. It was a third lower than usual. That wrench was designed to prevent over tightening.

Allen must have realized that a key with a short, square-cut handle could tell a mechanic when a screw was tight enough. A fine-pitch screw could have a socket for a smaller Allen key than its coarse-pitch counterpart. Allen could size a socket for whatever torque a tool maker specified.

Many Americans first saw Allen screws on American military equipment in WWII. If consumers had known they were to take the guesswork out of torquing, other manufacturers would have made hex keys with the same lengths as Allen keys. This could have brought price pressure in the market for the keys used to maintain machines like aircraft and bulldozers.

I needed real Allen keys to test my hypothesis that they would properly tighten the screws on Chinese e-bikes. I wanted H2, H3, H4, H5, H6, and H8. At the cheapest dealer I found advertising ISO, they would have cost $253 because I would have had to buy 310 pieces. The market for genuine Allen keys seems to be engineers running maintenance departments or shops for repair or assembly.

For $13 I bought a set of 30 from Amazon and found that they conformed to ISO specs. (They list outside lengths, while others list inside lengths.) I used the H4 to tighten a screw clamping the handlebars. I replaced it with a digital torque driver, noted the driver’s position, backed off, and retightened it to where the Allen key had left it. It read 4.5 Nm. The clamp read “6.0 Nm Max.” In general, you torque to 75% of max so that some elasticity remains. That would be 4.5 Nm. Perfect!

Next I tried the H8 in my M8 x 1 crank bolt. The bicycle manufacturer specified 40 to 45 Nm. I thought that was wild. I’d torqued by feel. I set up a hanging scale to measure the Newtons on the left pedal as I tried my Allen. I put 106 N on the .17 meter pedal, which meant 18 Nm. The bolt didn’t budge.

I’d expected the bolt to need about 25 Nm. I put the plastic handle on the key so I could turn harder. With 123 N on the pedal I felt the bolt budge slightly. By the way it moved, it felt tight enough. That translated to 21 Nm. It had moved so little that I thought I must have tightened it to about 18 Nm by feel when I installed it.

That was less than the 25 Nm I’d seen here. The bolt couldn’t be above Class 8.8 because stronger bolts withstand only one tightening. An 8.8 M8 is designed to clamp at 3580 pounds, which is 75% of its proof strength. With dry threads and a 1.25 pitch, it takes about 25 Nm. However, this pitch is only 1mm, so an estimated 20 Nm would get me there with dry threads. If I used thread locker or anti-seize, an estimated 17 Nm would provide the recommended clamping force.

The 18 Nm from the Allen key was right in the ball park. The maker of the bolt knew what he was doing. The bicycle manufacturer’s spec is about 2.5 times higher. Watch out!

I used weight transfer to check my H6 Allen key in the front through axle. I put a scale under the center stand. The weight of the bike was on the front tire and scale, which I set to zero. Now if I put clockwise torque on the through-axle, it would take weight from the scale.

Normally, one increases pressure slowly to torque a fastener. In this case I was hasty and could feel that I’d gone too far. I knew that because the pain was increasing when I wasn’t pushing harder. The scale read —2.40. I tried to hold it there for a few seconds, but it went up and down because the changing pain wouldn’t let me keep constant pressure by feel. I quickly let off the pressure. The end of the handle left a dent in my palm.

I tried it more slowly. When I felt the right point, the scale read —2.30. It was only 4% less than before, but I had no trouble keeping a steady scale reading because the pain was not increasing.

I multiplied pounds by 4.4 to get Newtons and multiplied that by .88 meter (the horizontal distance from the axle to the feet of the center stand) to get Newton meters. The axle was marked 8 to 10 Nm. My first try, which felt painfully high, was 9.3 Nm, only 3% above the center of the recommended range. The second was 8.9 Nm, or 1% below the center. Even when used badly, a proper Allen key can be plenty accurate. The bicycle manufacturer’s listed spec of 10 to 15, is 11 to 67 percent higher.

Torquing with an Allen key is like walking barefoot up a driveway that progresses from pea gravel to coarse crushed rock. With coarser, sharper gravel, pressure on soles increases because fewer points support your weight. You proceed slowly until you seem to have gone as far as possible and still be able to stop to chat.

The box of Allen keys is pretty big to keep on a bike. I bought a set of so-called Allen keys in a blue clip. They looked right but turned out to be about 10% short. There oughta be a law! Well, 10% under torquing is probably adequate in most cases.

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The old Atlas-Imperial diesel would specify two men on a four foot bar, sometimes two men and a boy for critical torquing 🤪.
Wrenches have been sized for an average man's pull for a long time. It was just learning how much to pull.
In most stuff hex screws were rare until maybe the seventies, and even then they were rare in my world.
 
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Run-of-the-mill combination wrenches may be sized for the average man's pull, but even in grade school I had to take care with heads below 1/2". The multitools that came with English bikes were more foolproof because they were punched from thin steel. Discomfort would discourage a man from turning too hard.

According to my torque measurements, the discomfort from an Allen key gets serious at a precise point. It's not about strength. I could turn it much harder by wrapping a cloth around the handle.
 
I don’t really but that all people have a similar “threshold” of discomfort or pain for the length of the hex key digging into their hands.

torque specs also vary a decent amount for same sized-fasteners on modern bikes, especially carbon fiber ones. in the ballpark, maybe. correct? No.

torque spec varies by a factor of 3 for the 4mm hex head bolts on this modern e-bike:
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I don’t really but that all people have a similar “threshold” of discomfort or pain for the length of the hex key digging into their hands.

torque specs also vary a decent amount for same sized-fasteners on modern bikes, especially carbon fiber ones. in the ballpark, maybe. correct? No.

torque spec varies by a factor of 3 for the 4mm hex head bolts on this modern e-bike:
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So Spokewrench just magically adjusts the point at which it starts to hurt. And we all have the same point at which turning a wrench starts to hurt. And of course we can, and should, send our hands in for periodic ISO recertification anyway.

I get where he's coming from. "When it starts to hurt" isn't nearly as foolproof as he seems to think it is.

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I don’t really but that all people have a similar “threshold” of discomfort or pain for the length of the hex key digging into their hands.

torque specs also vary a decent amount for same sized-fasteners on modern bikes, especially carbon fiber ones. in the ballpark, maybe. correct? No.

torque spec varies by a factor of 3 for the 4mm hex head bolts on this modern e-bike:
I see they recommend 54 Nm for crank bolts. I assume bicycle bolts are class 8.8. If you know the diameter and pitch of the threads, you can see if a recommended torque is within the bolt's strength. My brand recommends 40 to 45 for 8 x 1 crank bolts. That's absurd.

Youtube mechanics say you need a 50 Nm torque wrench for these bolts, then torque them by feel, and it's clear that they don't apply anything like 50 Nm. I went to Park Tools. The crank bolts for which they recommend more than 40 Nm seem to be M14 to M18, entirely different from M8.

What does your brand recommend for the H5 socket screws that hold the brake calipers? Mine recommends 12 Nm. That's strange because the brake manufacturer recommends 6, which is what an H5 Allen key is designed for. The e-bike company recommends 2 to 4 Nm for the chain guard. That's a 100% variation.

Galvanic reaction could account for big discrepancies. I had a Japanese car with some stuck H6 screws. Normally I could free stuck screws by putting a 6mm box wrench around the hex key just above the fastener, to use as a second handle. In this case I had to buy hex bits for a 3/8 ratchet set. I would have wrecked the screws if I'd reinstalled them with as much torque as it took to free them. They'd stuck due to galvanic reaction between different alloys.

American e-bike companies market stuff designed and produced in China. To get torque specs, the American company might have someone see what it takes to break fasteners loose. They'll have to overcome static friction, and galvanic reaction may require a lot of torque to snap a screw loose. That could explain how the bicycle company recommends 10-15 Nm for an axle marked 8-10.

It's not pain from the length of the handle. It's the point where the end of the handle begins crushing soft tissue deeper and deeper. I don't know how much variation there is among men, but I'm sure the hands of women are less resistant. I think the ISO Long Series, about 55% longer, is for shops with females.
 
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it’s an interesting discussion … but i think you’re missing the point of torque specs on modern bike parts. it isn’t entirely about the fastener - it’s the clamping (or other force) requirement or LIMIT of the design of the parts, e.g. a carbon stem, or aluminum whatever. it’s actually more likely to be limit these days, with relatively lighter parts and structures that are designed more specifically for forces in a certain direction rather than just “make it as strong as we can.”

as long any particular fastener’s threads and head can take the minimum torque required, they may use it, assuming it fits the physical constraints. the result is a lot of torque specs much lower than the recommended maximum for the fastener itself. remember that the female end in most bike fasteners is not a separate nut, but rather a threaded part of the bike or a bike component, steel, aluminum, or an insert into carbon fiber… and the inserts, of course, are embedded into the carbon with some maximum strength.

i also really don’t think the force to loosen a fastener is directly proportional to the torque that was applied to tighten it. all kinds of things get bolts stuck on bikes, and i’ve had to really rail on bolts that certainly weren’t torqued that much, and then sometimes they just come loose lol. in many cases the torque specs are so low that there isn’t enough friction developed in the threads to resist day to day vibration, thus the use of lots of loctite on bikes!
 
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I agree. Especially if I had a carbon-fiber bike, I wouldn't deviate from the bicycle company's specs. I also agree that in goods for the American consumer, hex socket screws have generally not been used for specific torques, which is why most hex keys aren't really Allen keys. It wasn't until I wondered about the domestic Chinese e-bike market, so much bigger and less affluent than the rest of the world, that I remembered that Allen keys could take the guesswork out of torquing.

The guy who started Aventon was a Shanghai resident who came to college in California. There were mountain bikes and road bikes but nothing "cheap and trouble free" as in China. He began importing Chinese parts to make single-speed bicycles. When he graduated, he stayed and started a custom bike shop. At first he refused to make derailleur bikes because that meant cost and trouble for the owner. When he got into e-bikes, it seems his Shanghai factory used parts and engineering standards from the industry geared to what the huge domestic market wanted: an affordable, trouble-free investment in mobility.

An owner is more likely to have trouble without torquing guidance. Wrenches of different lengths can be provided for hex head screws. Screwdrivers of different sizes can be provided for different sizes of crosshead screws. The exclusive use of Allen screws puzzled me because the folding set of keys they provided gave me no feel for torque. Chinese owners are unlikely to have torque wrenches. That's how I came to believe that they must use real Allen keys. I think the folding set I got, was the idea of the American staff, who have little knowledge of the bike's engineering.

I don't know if those who design bicycle parts for a market more affluent than the Chinese, size Allen sockets for the desired torque, but it would help make tightening foolproof. Carbon fiber may be an exception. I believe Allen key torque goes up 40% or down 30% per size. Those jumps may be too big for carbon fiber.
 
The gal next door to me feels no pain. Seriously. It's a medical condition.

I'm not letting her torque my hardware!
 
Please forgive me for hijacking this thread. I have looked everywhere for torque values for a Cyrusher Kommoda Ebike. Specifically the rear axle nut. I have no owners manual or any repair or maintenance manuals to reference. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? Many thanks.
 
Please forgive me for hijacking this thread. I have looked everywhere for torque values for a Cyrusher Kommoda Ebike. Specifically the rear axle nut. I have no owners manual or any repair or maintenance manuals to reference. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? Many thanks.
I think the manual just says "tight." Metal bikes are usually forgiving. Tightening by feel usually works for me. Another approach is to measure the diameter and pitch of the fastener. I suppose the back axles of 750 W hub drive 20" e-bikes are the same. Mine is M12 x 1.25. M12 is designed for a clamping force of 8200 pounds. At a 1.25 pitch, it would take 45 Nm, which Aventon recommends.

I think the people who wrote that recommendation were sales people, not engineers. The bolt is big to make a strong axle, not because clamping it to the dropouts requires anything like 8200 pounds. With flat sides, it has much less thread than a normal bolt. Offhand, I'd say it's better not to exceed 22 Nm. The wrench that came with the tool kit is good for about 15 Nm. If that's not adequate, they should have included a longer wrench.

I use a bigger wrench and tighten by feel. To see it in Nm, I backed off and used a torque wrench to retighten to the angle where it had been. It took about 20 Nm. In a year of daily use, that has been enough.
 
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Thank you for that explaination. My first time working on an Ebike, so I'm pretty much in the dark here. I don't suppose there is something like a parts diagram (fiche?) that would show how everything fits together? I'm having trouble getting the rear wheel on without the brake rubbing. As soon as I tighten the left (brake) side of the rear axle, the disc rubs on the outer most brake pad. Makes me wonder if I have all the washers on in the right order. Again, thanks for any advise you can share.
 
Thank you for that explaination. My first time working on an Ebike, so I'm pretty much in the dark here. I don't suppose there is something like a parts diagram (fiche?) that would show how everything fits together? I'm having trouble getting the rear wheel on without the brake rubbing. As soon as I tighten the left (brake) side of the rear axle, the disc rubs on the outer most brake pad. Makes me wonder if I have all the washers on in the right order. Again, thanks for any advise you can share.
That happened to me with my first e-bike. I hadn't had it long when I had to remove the rear wheel. It went well, so I thought I knew how. I had to remove it again, months later. This time things didn't fit right and I couldn't find a diagram online. There weren't many possibilities, so I was able to solve the puzzle.

The Abound is simpler, to me. The acorn nuts and the washers under them are the only parts that go outside the dropouts, and both sides are the same. Setting them aside simplifies fitting the others.

Not having the axle seated in both dropouts could make the rotor rub. Inverting the bike makes it easier to keep both sides seated during installation. My Abound had a big problem. It took a hammer and board to knock the axle loose on the drive side. When installing, I'd check both sides to be sure they were seated before putting on the washers and nuts. I'd discover that the axle wasn't all the way down on the drive side. I needed a hammer and board to knock it all the way down. Eventually I fixed it with a little filing in the dropout.

Now the axle drops in easily, but I believe torquing can pull one end or the other out of alignment. I don't fully tighten one side until the other is fairly tight, and while I turn a wrench, I press down on the tire to hold both ends of the axle down.

If your axle is fully seated on both sides, I guess something else is making your rotor rub.
 
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I've also always tightened axle nuts on hubmotors by hand. The motor cable coming out of the axle prevented use of a torque wrench. Never saw any nuts come loose, I mark them with a Sharpie pen.

That changed a few years ago. when I acquired a Bafang front hub with the cable coming out of the cover, Now a torque wrench was possible. I decided to use 25 ft ounds, That was still more than what I was doing by feel, which turned out to be 18-20 with an 8" combo wrench.

I found out today that Radrovers (per google) are 35-40 nm (26-29 ft-lbs).. Guess I might be a little light, but my wrench might be off too, The other thing is that the axles with cables in the are hollow. I still tighten those by hand to what feels right,
 
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Thank you both for your replies. I do suspect that the axle is not seated properly in the dropouts. I also tried the hammer and stick approach to give them a delicate nudge. I like the idea of doing a little filing work on the dropout. I'm going to try a chainsaw file for it's round profile. I'll let you know.
 
Thank you both for your replies. I do suspect that the axle is not seated properly in the dropouts. I also tried the hammer and stick approach to give them a delicate nudge. I like the idea of doing a little filing work on the dropout. I'm going to try a chainsaw file for it's round profile. I'll let you know.
With no nut or washer on the outside, it's easy to see if there's space between the axle and the bottom of the dropout notch. I may have had 4 or more mm. My notch was binding on the side. Three or four strokes with a flat file fixed it.
 
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