Seems this would be a software change so if current owners never had their software updated it wouldn't impact them, imho.
Umm, your Badass device is the easiest device to detect because it only works from 17kph upwards. So if the software sees an abrupt jump from 17kph to, say, 9kph, they know that you're manipulating things.Yes, I certainly could, but I don't see how they could detect my badass device unless they changed the sensor somehow.
It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult for Bosch to detect if someone was tuning the drives, but they've been talking about the issue for a long time. Here's a thread from 3 years ago.So apparently Bosch is going to detect speed tuning soon... no action so far, just detection.
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If they really pull through with this, I might change my mind buying a bosch bike and go for the yamaha version.
Nyon gets OTA updates? I did not know that.Yeah. That's good to know. Then again I've got my Nyon self-updating.
I mean, you can see where it's heading, right? The system will detect manipulation and kill the motor.
They Nyon is the biggest invasion of privacy that Bosch could possibly invent. Not only does it get OTA updates (like, one day my maps all stopped working because it was forcing me to do an update), but it also records online all the information not just about your trips (this makes figuring out where you live trivial) but also detailed information about the operation of your bike, such as the speed you've been going. So now, if you've been involved in an accident, they can just look up this data and prove that you were there and you were speeding.Nyon gets OTA updates? I did not know that.
Honestly the way these unelected EU bureaucrats work is they just force everyone to do their bidding, so I doubt Yamaha will be immune from this.
BTW even though I'm a heavy Bosch user, I now lean strongly towards Yamaha, if only because you no longer have to buy Yamaha batteries to operate on a Yamaha drive![]()
They Nyon is the biggest invasion of privacy that Bosch could possibly invent. Not only does it get OTA updates (like, one day my maps all stopped working because it was forcing me to do an update), but it also records online all the information not just about your trips (this makes figuring out where you live trivial) but also detailed information about the operation of your bike, such as the speed you've been going. So now, if you've been involved in an accident, they can just look up this data and prove that you were there and you were speeding.
Honestly though, don't get the Nyon, it doesn't offer any actual benefits. The navigation feature is a joke, uses OpenStreetMap, has no idea about actual topography let alone traffic rules. Typically its routes are insane and you're better off using a mobile phone. The rest of the metrics are just gimmicks and honestly I'd just prefer no display (like Specialized do on their ebikes) because this thing is beautiful, for sure, but hugely distracting, not to mention being a big piece of spyware.
Umm, from what I remember, the top Haibike models all use Bosch. If you want a top-of-the-line Yamaha-equipped Haibike, my advice is as follows: get an affordable model with the frame features you want (e.g., a dual-sus frame, if that's what you're after). This will have a 1x system, most likely. So instead of a 10.0 get a 4.0 or 5.0 in current Haibike nomenclature.That is actually nice, there are just a few things keeping me from getting the yamaha version of the bike I want.
No integrated battery in tube design (looks way nicer), and Haibikes top yamaha versions always come with a 2by drivetrain (2x10 gears), and the front gearing protrudes as the lowest point without any protection, meaning if I hit something mountainbiking, its going to damage something.
If the only difference was the motor, I'd easily take the yamaha one because I like the screen way more then the bosch purion.
Well yeah, of course it doesn't. Because if it did that, people would simply intercept those, reverse-engineer them and program their own drivetrains. I mean, you can already program it to some extent with the useless and paid 'custom riding modes' feature. But imagine if people could re-firmware their drives from CX to Speed (it's the same hardware, remember).I've done some research. It doesn't get OTA firmware updates for the drivetrain. It just updates the map as you mentioned. I don't care about legal stuff but your dongle seems to be safe. Which one do you have btw? I'm thinking of getting one. I haven't updated my drivetrain since 2016 and magnet on cranks works perfect for my CX but I feel a buzzing sensation through cranks at high cadence. Maybe a dongle will fix this, I'm not sure though.
Umm, from what I remember, the top Haibike models all use Bosch. If you want a top-of-the-line Yamaha-equipped Haibike, my advice is as follows: get an affordable model with the frame features you want (e.g., a dual-sus frame, if that's what you're after). This will have a 1x system, most likely. So instead of a 10.0 get a 4.0 or 5.0 in current Haibike nomenclature.
Now, simply throw away all the garbage that was installed on the frame. Like, at this price level, you get a Suntour fork... you can just throw that in the bin. I guarantee you, by the time you do the upgrades, not only will you get a much better bike than even what a 10.0 gives you (remember, you can go for aftermarket stuff now, like Cane Creek, DVO, Ohlins, Hope brakes, beautiful wheels by CrankBrothers and the like) but also you'll save, like, tons of money. Because at that price level, you pay a ludicrous premium on every single feature.
And on the german Haibike site, the 10.0 version of the Allmtn and the Fullseven and the Fullseven LT is always the Yamaha PW-X, not the bosch.
You mean wheelset, right? It's relatively expensive because the rims on ebikes, with the exception of premium bikes like R&M, are dirt cheap to begin with, typically made of aluminum and very narrow, many of them are weird OEM stuff that you need to get rid of as soon as possible. The hubs are typically Novatech or worse, not bad but not great. Also you don't need carbon wheels on an ebike and for this price you can get really cool alu wheels that nobody else has. And yes, they'll have quality hubs in them.Well it isnt bad, but I already decided I´ll just straight go for the bosch variant, its not that bad.
The allmtn has another color scheme, and different components.
I just like the complete package of the Allmtn 9.0 and the price point with those components.
I mean if I would buy like the rims seperatly, only those would cost me already 650€.
Although I dont know why a complete rim set is that friggin expensive.