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[Art Deco]

Like many engineers I don't have a problem with spelling, it's spelling correctly that befuddles me. Without some sort of electronic assistant/spell checker I fear I'd appear d#*n near illiterate.

Once upon a time we had some people who were very precise with words, and another group who were equally precise with numbers. Today technology provides us all the ability to be mediocre at both, but inhibits excellence at either. Progress !

 

[Handlebars]

"Jive" is hipster talk or refers to swing dance stuff. "Jive Turkey!"
"Jibe" is about being in agreement with something else. "That doesn't jibe with what you said before"

 

[tomjasz]

jibe

A sailing maneuver!

 

[Handlebars]

Once upon a time we had some people who were very precise with words, and another group who were equally precise with numbers. Today technology provides us all the ability to be mediocre at both, but inhibits excellence at either. Progress !

OK. Now explain the accuracy and precision of the difference between "accuracy" and "precision" in various fields of knowledge; the meaning of them in target shooting, for example, compared to in English language as you used them. In your use, precision with words means being accurate.
With sets and numbers, however...
In target shooting accuracy is nearness to the bullseye, precision is how close together the grouping is.
In measurement of a set, accuracy is closeness of the measurements to a specific value, while precision is the closeness of the measurements to each other.

Accuracy has two definitions:

1. More commonly, it is a description of systematic errors, a measure of statistical bias; low accuracy causes a difference between a result and a "true" value. ISO calls this trueness.
2. Alternatively, ISO defines[1] accuracy as describing a combination of both types of observational error above (random and systematic), so high accuracy requires both high precision and high trueness.

Precision is a description of random errors, a measure of statistical variability.


noun: precision

1. the quality, condition, or fact of being exact and accurate.

So usage of the word "precision" is lacking accuracy and precision sometimes. Maybe.

 

[LimboJim]

Y'all are sailin' and divin' deep into murky definitions and dubious distinctions...

Me? I'm a landlubber on two wheels, elevating well above sea level.

 

[Kayakguy]

OK, EBR grammar goons, explain why a) is correct and b) is not correct, or forever hold your piece.
a) I am at EBR Forum, aren't I?
b) I am at EBR Forum, amn't I?

Ain't is the preferred form in this forum.

 

[Kayakguy]

OK. Now explain the accuracy and precision of the difference between "accuracy" and "precision" in various fields of knowledge; the meaning of them in target shooting, for example, compared to in English language as you used them. In your use, precision with words means being accurate.
With sets and numbers, however...
In target shooting accuracy is nearness to the bullseye, precision is how close together the grouping is.
In measurement of a set, accuracy is closeness of the measurements to a specific value, while precision is the closeness of the measurements to each other.

Accuracy has two definitions:

1. More commonly, it is a description of systematic errors, a measure of statistical bias; low accuracy causes a difference between a result and a "true" value. ISO calls this trueness.
2. Alternatively, ISO defines[1] accuracy as describing a combination of both types of observational error above (random and systematic), so high accuracy requires both high precision and high trueness.

Precision is a description of random errors, a measure of statistical variability.


noun: precision

1. the quality, condition, or fact of being exact and accurate.

So usage of the word "precision" is lacking accuracy and precision sometimes. Maybe.

Ooh, I love this one! My watch is very precise (measures down to the second, or even hundredth of a second if I use stop watch mode). But if it precisely says it's 5 o'clock when it's actually 7:30, it's not only inaccurate, but bigly so.

 

[Kayakguy]

"Jive" is hipster talk or refers to swing dance stuff. "Jive Turkey!"
"Jibe" is about being in agreement with something else. "That doesn't jibe with what you said before"

And "gybe" (sometimes "jibe") refers to tacking a sailboat while sailing downwind. Accidentally doing so can be dangerous. And that reminds me of my current and ongoing pet peeve: What's the difference between potentially dangerous and dangerous? Doesn't "dangerous" mean "has the potential to cause harm"?

 

[Handlebars]

And "gybe" (sometimes "jibe") refers to tacking a sailboat while sailing downwind. Accidentally doing so can be dangerous. And that reminds me of my current and ongoing pet peeve: What's the difference between potentially dangerous and dangerous? Doesn't "dangerous" mean "has the potential to cause harm"?

Potentially dangerous means it isn't dangerous until it's potentiated.

 

[McCorby]

Here’s one! It is somewhat accepted to refer to an IC engine as a motor (although there is a camp that doesn’t find this acceptable either), but it is definitely unacceptable to call an electric motor an engine!

 

[tomjasz]

And "gybe" (sometimes "jibe") refers to tacking a sailboat while sailing downwind. Accidentally doing so can be dangerous. And that reminds me of my current and ongoing pet peeve: What's the difference between potentially dangerous and dangerous? Doesn't "dangerous" mean "has the potential to cause harm"?

A better description from an old sailor,

• swing (a sail or boom) across a following wind.

• Look up jibe in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

  
  Jibing from port tack to starboard tack. Wind shown in red. ① Broad reaching on port tack. "Prepare to jibe!" ② Bearing away, or turning downwind, and hauling in the sail(s) to begin the jibing maneuver. "Bearing away!" ③ Heading downwind, the wind catches the other side of the sail and it jibes, then is quickly let out to its new position. "Jibe-ho!" ④Steadying up on the new tack. ⑤Broad reaching on starboard tack.
  A jibe (US) or gybe (Britain) is a sailing maneuver whereby a sailing vessel reaching downwindturns its stern through the wind, so that the wind direction changes from one side of the boat to the other.

 

[Handlebars]

Yeah, but none of the instances here where people confuse it with 'jive" are about sailing; you're painting legs on the snake.

 

[tomjasz]

Yeah, but none of the instances here where people confuse it with 'jive" are about sailing; you're painting legs on the snake.

You have legs?

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Here’s one! It is somewhat accepted to refer to an IC engine as a motor (although there is a camp that doesn’t find this acceptable either), but it is definitely unacceptable to call an electric motor an engine!

You would find it funny how many European languages refer to the electric motor as to "engine".

From the website of Gazelle. How the French site can use both "engine" and "moteur" in a single web-page remains a mystery for me.

From my own perspective, Polish uses the name of "silnik elektryczny" (electric engine). People who are not English native speakers often write "engine" where they should say "motor" ("Motor" in Polish means "motorcycle").

 

[tomjasz]

European languages refer to the electric motor as to "engine".

Well it is an engine!

 

[McCorby]

Well it is an engine!

The definition of “engine“ versus “motor” has been debated for a very long time! It’s a fun topic....

 

[Stefan Mikes]

The definition of “engine“ versus “motor” has been debated for a very long time! It’s a fun topic....

I agree. I only try to say it is not necessarily so in other languages. I still find it amusing the leading Dutch e-bike manufacturer cannot set up their Website in proper English. The "middle engine" is not the only funny term there

P.S. I still cannot understand how come the English world uses the name of "engine" for "locomotive" Or, how can a "motor car" be equipped with an engine?!

 

[McCorby]

I agree. I only try to say it is not necessarily so in other languages. I still find it amusing the leading Dutch e-bike manufacturer cannot set up their Website in proper English. The "middle engine" is not the only funny term there

In this recent EMBN video, a Shimano representative used both terms while discussing their new EP8 engine.......I mean motor!

at around 5:40 he switches to calling it an “engine”.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

McCorby, let me go off topic for a while. The musical full note that is above A is called B in the English world. The semitone following the note A is A#. In many European countries, the full note following the A is H, and the semitone is named B That's real confusion, not some stupid engine vs motor!

 

[Handlebars]

You have legs?

Jibe has legs.

jibe
noun [ C ]
(also gibe)

UK

/dʒaɪb/ US

/dʒaɪb/

an insulting remark that is intended to make someone look stupid​