Gionnirocket
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Well I'm glad you're not on the committee approving anything...
As we all know that ghost pedaling at 35mph is much safer than a throttle.
Total e-bike ban after a fatality in Key Biscayne, FLA
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As we all know that ghost pedaling at 35mph is much safer than a throttle.
jabberwocky
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I've wondered a few times since this thread was posted if the womans family is going to file a lawsuit against the ebike manufacturer. Would be an interesting one to follow. Depending on circumstances (exact model, whether the superficial speed restrictions had been bypassed) I could see that being successful. A quick search couldn't find anything.
I don't think the issue is that ghost pedaling is worse than a throttle, its the most of the yahoos riding "ebikes" that go 35mph are the ones that are basically designed to only ever be ridden throttle only. I actually think a lot fewer would be sold if they had to be ghost pedaled to go that fast; their buyers don't want bicycles, they want motorcycles.
Well I'm glad you're not on the committee approving anything...
As we all know that ghost pedaling at 35mph is much safer than a throttle.
I don't think the issue is that ghost pedaling is worse than a throttle, its the most of the yahoos riding "ebikes" that go 35mph are the ones that are basically designed to only ever be ridden throttle only. I actually think a lot fewer would be sold if they had to be ghost pedaled to go that fast; their buyers don't want bicycles, they want motorcycles.
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I think it would be hard won since she wasn't wearing a helmet.
I've been curious as to the actual details of the accident as that's never been made public... and then what happened at the end of the 60 day ban?
I concur... But I wouldn't want a bike without a throttle and I don't want to be punished for the acts of a yahoo, decisions of yahoo parents or any other affiliated yahoos.
jabberwocky
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Would really depend on the circumstances (which I also couldn't find much info about).
From what I can find, the 60 day ban was unanimously extended another 60 days (till mid June):
Council extends ban on e-bikes and e-scooters until mid-June to keep islanders safe
For those who may have missed the news, Key Biscayne residents can store their nifty e-bikes and electric scooters until mid-June after the Village Council voted 7-0 during their last
Since helmet wearing is generally not a legal requirement for an adult riding a bike, probably wouldn't be a defense. I continue to find the focus on the victims lack of helmet quite gross. Its the same crap the media pulls when an idiot motorist on a cell phone/speeding/whatever kills a cyclist. Merits of helmet-wearing aside, people should be able to ride around and not get run over by idiots, and when it happens I'm perfectly comfortable placing 100% of the blame on the idiot instead of the person who was hit.
Laws often are written to the lowest common denominator. Which is why its important to call out yahoos and idiots and not cover for them.
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I'm not focused on her not wearing a helmet.. but it is a fact.Would really depend on the circumstances (which I also couldn't find much info about).
From what I can find, the 60 day ban was unanimously extended another 60 days (till mid June):
Council extends ban on e-bikes and e-scooters until mid-June to keep islanders safe
For those who may have missed the news, Key Biscayne residents can store their nifty e-bikes and electric scooters until mid-June after the Village Council voted 7-0 during their lastwww.islandernews.com
Since helmet wearing is generally not a legal requirement for an adult riding a bike, probably wouldn't be a defense. I continue to find the focus on the victims lack of helmet quite gross. Its the same crap the media pulls when an idiot motorist on a cell phone/speeding/whatever kills a cyclist. Merits of helmet-wearing aside, people should be able to ride around and not get run over by idiots, and when it happens I'm perfectly comfortable placing 100% of the blame on the idiot instead of the person who was hit.
Laws often are written to the lowest common denominator. Which is why its important to call out yahoos and idiots and not cover for them.
Additionally that there is absolutely no description of the sequence of events which lead up to the accident I find disturbing and is no small detail. Everyone is making assumptions and I find that gross.
Sorry.. but I don't consider new laws, law suits or other actions until I know the fact.
As for the yahoos, I'll be the first to call them out. But as stated before I'm not willing to give up my rights to idiot proof the world.
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jabberwocky
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Not sure what rights you're referring to.
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Taylor57
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But I'd bet you would chug a cool refreshing yahoo!
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I haven't had one in what has to be +40 years.... I gotta track one down this weekend!
Taylor57
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I may find one as well! Back when I played Fantasy Baseball when it first came out, we poured a Yahoo over the winners head at the season ending soiree!
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Yes one could draw that conclusion... but again I'm trying to avoid assumptions.
They've got a problem on their hands no doubt... But they also have some blame to bear as these wheels are being purchased by the parents in the community.
All I'm saying is a little common sense parenting, discipline and perhaps confiscating a few bikes when reckless behavior is observed would go a long way. In the day of dash and body cam, it shouldn't be that hard to enforce.
No need to pass restrictions on all or bring lawsuits against a company that has no control on how their product is misused.
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It's very likely this kid (from Key Biscayne, FL) wasn't going faster than 20mph (throtte assist Class 2) when this accident occurred. Such an ebike serious collision could happen even at 12-15mph in an urban setting.
Even if the ebike is considered Class 1 or Class 2 (20mph) the parent(s) still bare some responsibility. When it results in a serious injury that could happen at only 12-15mph (e,g, to an elderly woman knocked down resulting in a sprained wrist, broken hip and/or head/brain injury). The guilty party is the young rider that didn't have his ebike under control considering the existing urban conditions. How many ebike stores or parents even take the time to go over responsible urban ebiking with their young teenage son ?
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Even if the ebike is considered Class 1 or Class 2 (20mph) the parent(s) still bare some responsibility. When it results in a serious injury that could happen at only 12-15mph (e,g, to an elderly woman knocked down resulting in a sprained wrist, broken hip and/or head/brain injury). The guilty party is the young rider that didn't have his ebike under control considering the existing urban conditions. How many ebike stores or parents even take the time to go over responsible urban ebiking with their young teenage son ?
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"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken,
society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker,
It is time to restore the American precept,
that each individual is accountable for their actions."
society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker,
It is time to restore the American precept,
that each individual is accountable for their actions."
Chargeride
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Simon Cowell of talent show fame considered sueing the builder of a powerful ebike he purchased.
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Simon Cowell may sue 'death trap' electric motorbike maker after breaking spine in accident
TV personality Simon Cowell is apparently considering taking legal action against an electric motorbike (not ebike) manufacturer after suffering serious...
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From the article it sounds like he was showing off to some friends. It's true that the only difference between some men and some boys is the price of their toys ($22,000 v $4,000).
He's considering a lawsuit as it's not his fault as much as it's the manufacturer and seller.
He broke three vertebrae after being upended (a wheelie) the first time he used the bike,
which has 15,000 watts of electric power.
A former employee (whistleblower) said, "It should never have been sold to Simon without
him being taught how to use it.” The BGT and X Factor boss and his team are now “weighing up” their legal options and are studying the former employee’s claims. Cowell's team say they have tried to contact the manufacturers, Wiltshire-based Swindon Powertrain, but have been “stonewalled”.
Another anonymous source at the company said, “I said to my boss, ‘Are you showing Simon how to use this?’ He said he was just dropping it off and I said, ‘Are you serious?’” Experts say a successful lawsuit could see Cowell get up to £10miilion for loss of earnings, medical bills plus pain and suffering.
He's considering a lawsuit as it's not his fault as much as it's the manufacturer and seller.
He broke three vertebrae after being upended (a wheelie) the first time he used the bike,
which has 15,000 watts of electric power.
A former employee (whistleblower) said, "It should never have been sold to Simon without
him being taught how to use it.” The BGT and X Factor boss and his team are now “weighing up” their legal options and are studying the former employee’s claims. Cowell's team say they have tried to contact the manufacturers, Wiltshire-based Swindon Powertrain, but have been “stonewalled”.
Another anonymous source at the company said, “I said to my boss, ‘Are you showing Simon how to use this?’ He said he was just dropping it off and I said, ‘Are you serious?’” Experts say a successful lawsuit could see Cowell get up to £10miilion for loss of earnings, medical bills plus pain and suffering.
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In the early 1970’s a Minneapolis City Councilperson’s wife was struck and killed by a bicyclist while walking around the newly completed and very popular pedestrian/multi-use asphalt pathways en circulating the Minneapolis lakes.
Key Biscayne bans e-bikes and scooters - Key Biscayne Independent
This story has been updated withkbindependent.org
A 12 year old boy on an e-bike collided with a woman on a bicycle. Two days later, there is a total ban there.
Please read the entire article before commenting. It sounds to me like they are throwing the baby with the bath water.
It’s tragic that someone died, but they should investigate it further and make some logical rules, like age and class appropriate rules.
Bicyclists were immediately banned on the path and diverted to the roadways that also en circled the lakes UNTIL a total expansion was immediately constructed — a parallel bike path all the way around all of the lakes. The City was being bike and exercise friendly.
I used to ride from Brooklyn Park to Minnehaha Falls via bike path in the 1970’s.
In the mean time, all inhabitation of Florida by humans should be banned until the Government fixes Hurricanes from causing damage.
Until then, let the ebikes flow.
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EagerBieber
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The most dangerous things out there are the pelotons of professional cyclists doing 30 mph+ and swooping you on both sides. You'll see more of them there than at any race Im certain. It is wild.
Doggyman1202
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The mutation of what most in this community consider e-bikes into the thing Simon Cowell was riding is upending the public perception in a bad way, and that perception was fuzzy to begin with.
To the uninitiated John or Jane Doe, E-bikes=Speed. We know better, but to borrow the Bob Seger lyric, "it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll."
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Very true, perception is 9/10 of reality. So when people see an e-bike that looks like a motorcycle they think it's a motorcycle and don't bother to perceive or any differently
