Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

I run Strava from my Apple Watch Series 4 and the watch charge declines significantly. My iPhone battery also runs down quickly if I’m using it for navigation, etc. I carry a power bank (battery powered charger) which I can fit in my phone holder for the time it takes to recharge the phone. For me, this happens in on rides of over three hours. My human battery funds down even further if I were to try a 6 hour outing.

A Garmin or other dedicated cycling computer definitely may have better battery life. The question, then, is whether the cost of the cycling computer can be justified.
Thanks,
I am thinking of getting Garmin Forerunner 955 or Fenix watch to record bike (2 of them), run and walk stats.
Currently using only iPhone has not been sufficient to run through the day. It drains battery way before I am drained.
I could try Apple Watch but I hear it needs to be charged every night which I know I won't do it.
 
Thanks,
I am thinking of getting Garmin Forerunner 955 or Fenix watch to record bike (2 of them), run and walk stats.
Currently using only iPhone has not been sufficient to run through the day. It drains battery way before I am drained.
I could try Apple Watch but I hear it needs to be charged every night which I know I won't do it.
Yeah, the Apple Watch needs to be charged about 3 dry 18 hours. If you want to use the watch for sleep monitoring, Apple suggests charging in the morning after you wake up but before you start your day. With the right charger the watch charges pretty fast so this does work.

But both the watch and the iPhone (and most other phones, for that matter) drain their batteries pretty fast when used for with the kinds of services needed on bike for gps tracking and navigation, heart best monitoring, cadence counting, speed, Etc.

When the next generation of iPhones come out this fall, I’m going to use my current 4+ years old model as a cycling computer. It’s not worth much on a trade-in so it’s a better deal as I don’t need many of the feat of the dedicated computers. Not using cellular data should improve battery life somewhat and make appear better.
We shall see.
 
I am running into iPhone battery getting dead on 6+ hr rides when I have 22VadoSL5 connected to Mission Control + iPhone showing the stats/map.
Would the following work better?

  1. Garmin watch instinct/forerunner/fenix - set to auto-detect bike ride with GPS and upload to strava - Long battery life, GPS, heartbeat
  2. Apple watch - Start/stop ride in strava on Apple watch - Doubles battery life with both iPhone and Apple Watch with me
A Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt v2 or a Garmin 530 or 830 are worth every cent as a Vado SL display!
 
A Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt v2 or a Garmin 530 or 830 are worth every cent as a Vado SL display!
My wife loves my previous Garmin Edge that I gave her, and she is by no means a gadget geek like I am. In addition to the ride stats the maps are very useful. Unfortunately, her Bosch-powered Trek has no bike connectivity features. :confused:
 
I see some threads of folks using splitter to get a phone charging cables on VadoSL and CreoSL.
Is that legit? Where do they splice - at the motor or at the front light?
If my phone can be charged from bike battery; that should solve the problem as well :)
 
Testing out my new SQLab 611saddle. Found it really stiff on the first ride but it felt better yesterday. Most important to me, no perineal pressure that I could tell. Had a glorious ride up Boulder Canyon Trail to Cameron Drive, a three mile dirt connector to the summit of Flagstaff Mountain. About 2.5 miles of 7-9% ascent before leveling off to 2.5-5%. Did the whole thing in Sport mode before doing a gravity ride home down the paved road. Very nice. BTW, these trails are supposedly off limits to e-bikes for no apparent reason, but I figured no one would notice my SL even if there were anyone checking up (which there never is).
 
So in order to try and work on my butt problem, I put in a stiffer spring in my Kinekt seatpost. Definitely less bouncy. Will have to try it on a real ride.

I also changed out my WTB Rocket chromoly 150 for the Specialized Bridge 150. So here is the interesting thing. The Bridge Sport on the Specialized website says the rails are steel. The Bridge Comp is hollow chromoly rails.

The Bridge Sport on the Turbo Vado SL 5.0 tech specs says Bridge Sport hollow chromoly. I looked at my seat. Couldn't tell if there is a part number, but it definitely says Bridge and hollow chromoly. So is it a special Bridge Sport? Or is it really the Bridge Comp?
 
I see some threads of folks using splitter to get a phone charging cables on VadoSL and CreoSL.
Is that legit? Where do they splice - at the motor or at the front light?
If my phone can be charged from bike battery; that should solve the problem as well :)

takes a bit of DIY. you use this https://www.performancebike.com/specialized-sl-ebike-ysplitter-wiring-for-light-s216800001/p1237126

which gives you a 12v DC output suitable for a 8w draw. from there there are lots of products to step down to iphone charging. personally i haven’t done it but lots of reports out there from people who have. not sure if you could keep the light AND this - you’d probably need to keep the total draw under .6a
 
So in order to try and work on my butt problem, I put in a stiffer spring in my Kinekt seatpost. Definitely less bouncy. Will have to try it on a real ride.

I also changed out my WTB Rocket chromoly 150 for the Specialized Bridge 150. So here is the interesting thing. The Bridge Sport on the Specialized website says the rails are steel. The Bridge Comp is hollow chromoly rails.

The Bridge Sport on the Turbo Vado SL 5.0 tech specs says Bridge Sport hollow chromoly. I looked at my seat. Couldn't tell if there is a part number, but it definitely says Bridge and hollow chromoly. So is it a special Bridge Sport? Or is it really the Bridge Comp?
I’ve had major saddle problems for the past 6 years, mostly perineal numbness and pain. I’ve tried at least 25 saddles, from $35 - over $200. The only saddle I can get along with is the WTB Koda in 155mm, I think because it’s firm and flat in back.

There is one more I want to try, the Bi-Saddle. Just have to get by head around the price.
 
Baby got new shoes! Had Pathfinder Pro's installed yesterday and went tubeless. Will give them a gravel run today.

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Just saw this new Garmin coming out, as another possible option?
Be careful. I know the older Garmin Explore model had some issues with e-bike connectivity.

Baby got new shoes! Had Pathfinder Pro's installed yesterday and went tubeless. Will give them a gravel run today.

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Wow! Now, you can ride on reduced inflation pressure for comfort if you need!
 
Be careful. I know the older Garmin Explore model had some issues with e-bike connectivity.
Yeah I have the old Garmin Edge Explore and it's fine except the power sensor does not connect. I posted about that a few dozen pages back and got help re the MC and Ride apps.

That aside it's really nice on the Vado SL. The original TCD mount is Garmin compatible too so it just fits right on.
 
There is a phenomenon related to the new Range Extenders I own which I do not like but can live with.
With any Range Extender, the assistance is greatly reduced when the RE energy level drops below 10%. With my original RE, everything worked as it should: as soon as the RE level dropped to 5%, my Vado SL was seamlessly switching to the Main Battery if I rode in the "Discharge the Range Extender first" mode.

With two new Range Extenders, the behaviour is not good. At 8 or 7%, the system is simply switched off, and my Wahoo reports a "battery low" error. I need to disconnect the RE and start the e-bike again to ride. Of course, the issue is not really relevant to "Discharge both batteries in parallel" mode.

As I am more dedicated to riding than to complaining (unlike one GU) :) I really don't care. Discharging the Range Extender first helps me balancing the number of charges among the Main Battery and three Range Extenders I own. (For long rides, I always choose discharging both batteries in parallel).

Now, a funny thing. On last Friday, I was on a ride to collect some bike gear from my brother, to buy some bike gear in a store, and eventually help a friend with my e-bike he's riding. After I completed all the chores, I was happily returning home. The return ride was against strong headwind, and it included an overpass. I could notice how slowly I was riding, especially up the overpass in the SL Turbo mode! Did my bad legs turn even worse?!

Oh. I failed noticing that the RE level dropped below 10% :D
 
I picked up my Vado 4 SL last Friday and wanted to share my impressions of the bike. I'm an avid cyclist and relatively fit at 5'10" and 145lbs. I'm pretty much a solo rider with few group rides. The exercise part of riding is something I enjoy but really - I just love riding bikes anywhere and everywhere and spend a lot of time doing it.

I have to start by saying the Vado Sl should come with a disclaimer that it's Cyclist Crack - like the drug. Because ever since I test rode the bike in a parking lot - I've had a huge eBike smile (tm) on my face. This bike is absolutely incredible in every way. The riding experience is like you have the wind at your back or maybe going downhill a bit even when you're going up. It's everything that's fun about biking without having to stand up and pound the pedals on every up-hill. But that's the crazy part. I still work - plenty. My heart rate goes up and I expend great amounts of effort if I want to. After I finish a ride I still feel rewarded regarding cardio. I just feel exhilarated but not spent. Hard to describe. And switching between the support levels is seamless. Yeah, I motor up the hills in turbo but I might feel like sweating and go eco. And the bit of extra weight of the motor and battery actually give the bike a nice strong feel to the ride. I'm comfortable going down big hills at higher speeds on this bike then say my 23mm tire, racing bike.

And I'll keep going. I think it's incredible that Specialized (according the LBS) has a 4 year warranty on the motor without regard to mileage. And I know Specialized will back it up and be there.

Lot's of other little things. Brakes are super. Haven't missed a shift. Motor quiet with just a bit of whir to know it's working. This bike is fun but challenges me. And there's no mode on the bike that is so powerful and fast that it doesn't feel like a bike. And that's exactly it. In the end - it's a bike. I tried some of the higher torque bikes and just didn't feel true to cycling. And I need that.

Finally, I think it's a bargain at $3600USD. Aluminum feels light and responsive. Beautiful frame and paint too IMO. I'm able to take 3 water bottles or an extra battery. It's only 30 something pounds and can be easily car-racked. The lights are awesome too! I mean - the thing has a computer in it. It talks to my phone. It has a power meter. It can go over 50 miles on a charge. It's just the absolute greatest idea and execution. Bravo Specialized!!

Finally - back to CRACK. Sometimes I'm riding and I'll be in ECO - huffing and puffing and feeling good. But then I see the approaching hill. Yeah - I can make it but keep looking over at the mode switch and a little voice inside my head is like - 'You know you want it. Just a press of the button and your legs will feel that slight push of the motor and invigoration... must resist. :)'. But it's all awesome and I feel 20 again and run it right up the hill with a huge grin. And then - oh yeah, another road I never went down because the pavement was rough or too many hills. With my Vado SL - I can go anywhere. And maybe that's the real beauty of this engineering marvel.

It's charged again. Here we go.
Great post - thank you keen to see if it would be the same for me at approx 235 pounds!
 
I am providing this information for anybody that may be considering investing in this model because I recently took the plunge and I figure those interested can sift through the data to find info helpful or applicable to them.

I am 58, 6’4” and weigh 215#. I have been riding bicycles for a long time, and still ride quite a bit. Mostly mountain biking and I try to get to a pretty good level of cycling fitness every year (I live in an area with winter so mtn biking is seasonal).

I bought this bike to commute to my work and back as often as practical. My goal is 2 – 3 times a week. I have commuted to work on a bike for years. But until recently my commutes were in the range of 5-7 miles each way. A few years ago I changed jobs and now my commute is 21-25 miles each way depending on the route. Fortunately, 15 miles of this is along a bike path. I had been taking the train down in the mornings and riding back in the evenings for the last few years. But recently I got to thinking that if I had e-assistance I might be able to ride both ways, shaving enough time off my commute to make it reasonable and taking better advantage of being mostly linked between home and work by a bike path.

Ok, enough background. About the bike and my experience. The bike is AWESOME. It is well designed and the geometry makes it a very fun and sporty bike to ride. Having the ride be fun is great because it will help keep me motivated to ride it to and from my work. This bike is very, very fun to ride and handles great.

I have panniers – Ortlieb back city roller classics. They work great with the EQ equipped rack. I upgraded to these bags from an old set of Novarras. The bike path is pretty lumpy in spots and the Novarras would sometime fly off the rack! The Ortliebs are the bomb and a great upgrade. I carry probably 20 – 30#s in the bags between work clothes and shoes, lunch, a liter of liquid drink, a laptop, tools, tubes, various cycling clothes to account for the cold in the morning, warm in the evening conditions. So it’s a heavy set up – but the bike rides great and I don’t notice the bags or the load at all. This is really the testament to how good this bike is. Even fully loaded, big person and heavy bags, this bike is a cruise and I do not feel the load and it doesn’t diminish the sporty, fun quality of the ride.

On my previous commuter – an Italian steel road bike forced reluctantly into commuting service - it would take me between 1:45 in ideal conditions and 1:55 more often to ride the 21 mile route. I have a pretty good and sustained climb at the end and getting through the urban leg of the journey was painfully long. With the Vado I do the same route in about 1:15 to 1:20. So you can do the avg. speed I get. I would love to shave more time off my pervious non e-bike time, but I don’t think that’s realistic.

I use turbo to get through the urban sections of the ride – the city at the start and the end of my commute between my neighborhood and the bike path. And I use turbo to get up the hills getting to my home. I am on the middle/sport level of assist the rest of the time. That level is plenty to go as fast I want or would like to on the bike path and I don’t feel like I am working hard, but I am definitely pedaling and not free wheeling along. Going to work which is downhill to start I have about 5 battery life indicator bars left, sometimes 4. Coming back I have about 3 bars left. So I charge at work for the ride back, which means I transport the charger – part of the weight in my bags.

If you are going to ride at night in unlighted areas you’ll need a much stronger headlight. This bike lets you reach speeds very easily that are too fast for the amount of light that the stock headlight throws. Not a big deal – having the right lights is something that everyone has to customize for their use.

I’ve read the back and forth on the fenders. If you are a commuter you know the blessing of a good set of fenders that stay in place and do their job. These fenders are great for that purpose. Yes there is the path debris that gets picked up and rubbed through/between tire and fender, but in my experience not significantly more than any other set of fenders, and frankly these work quite well. I always have fenders on my commuters.

In summary I am extremely happy with the bike and hope that things continue as they have started. I didn’t do a lot of test riding e-bikes before I went for this one. I rode a couple – mostly rentals, and I knew I didn’t want a big heavy e-moped type bike. Though very fun and they would make sense for the commute I am doing, I wanted to get more exercise from my commute than I would get by using something like the full Vado 4.0. I also wasn’t sure about committing to such a big vehicle, both for where to put it and for handling. The Vado SL level of e-assist is very good for my needs. There’s no way I could do 42-50 miles a day with the kind of weight I carry on my old bike for any extended period. It’s also very nice to have the e-assist in case of rough conditions like nasty headwinds heading home. All in all – I am super happy with this bike and best of luck to anyone considering taking the plunge!View attachment 106564

After reading 29/76 pages this is the post I’ve been wanting to find that I think will push me over the edge - my ride is 21 miles round trip and takes me about 2:10. I weigh in about 235 and this is what I needed to read!!! Thank you
 
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