Solar MPPT Portable Power Generator (UPS) frustration

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Hi all.
Trying to simplify my Bosch solar charging scenario with the 4A Bosch charger (needs constant 200W Pure Sine AC).
So far i've looked at these UPS's:

Beyond Technology-Suaoki

www.suaoki.com

200WH Portable Battery Backup Green-UPS Battery-UPS Battery Backup--Multi tool flashlight,Camping shovel,Outdoor camping supplies,castor wheel,Wall adapter,Beach mat,Decorative night light

www.chafonmall.com

400wh portable power - Wholesale from China PowerOak Newener Co., Ltd

400Wh portable solar generator

www.poweroak.solar

Lithium Battery, Solar & Power Generation Experts - iTechworld

Power your next adventure with our lithium batteries, jump starters, power stations & more. Buy online for fast delivery or visit our Perth store in Burswood.

itechworld.com.au

and what seems so far to be ideal except only 18V solar input:

https://www.onlinesolarpowerpanels.com/easyfocus-200wh.html/

I'd like to use my 2 lightweight panels that can put out up to 220W but voltage may be up to 40VDC.
Problem is, all of these either don't have a Solar MPPT that can handle up to 200W or are limited with input voltage or are just plain heavy (i'd like one with just 200Wh capacity), or they do not allow pass-thru charging.

Has anyone found anything decent?

 

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This is just a suggestion for a possibly different approach, it might not be at all what you want to do but Grin Technologies posted this under the comments from this youtube video.
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Grin Technologies1 year ago
"You should be able to charge the bosch battery from a solar panel if you use an MPPT charge controller that is set to no more than 4A, you hack the connector off of your existing charger in order to obtain the proprietary plug, and you wire up a 5V regulator so that the output of the MPPT generates a 5V signal which goes to the 3rd pin on the charger plug and in turn 'opens up' the charging port of the battery pack. Without this 5V present on the 3rd pin of the plug you won't be able to put in any charge current. And from our experience using a Satiator to charge a Bosch ebike pack, as soon as you hit 4.5amps, the charge port will shut off as well."

 

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This is just a suggestion for a possibly different approach, it might not be at all what you want to do but Grin Technologies posted this under the comments from this youtube video.
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Grin Technologies1 year ago
"You should be able to charge the bosch battery from a solar panel if you use an MPPT charge controller that is set to no more than 4A, you hack the connector off of your existing charger in order to obtain the proprietary plug, and you wire up a 5V regulator so that the output of the MPPT generates a 5V signal which goes to the 3rd pin on the charger plug and in turn 'opens up' the charging port of the battery pack. Without this 5V present on the 3rd pin of the plug you won't be able to put in any charge current. And from our experience using a Satiator to charge a Bosch ebike pack, as soon as you hit 4.5amps, the charge port will shut off as well."

Thankyou, i've seen this and i will go down that track when my warranties finish. However, they may have only tested that with the older 300 & 400Wh Bosch batteries, which may have a slightly different handshaking protocol between charger & battery (eg. None, just 5V).
It's extremely difficult to get any clear information on all this Bosch charging stuff, seems at times i'm the only one interested.

 

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However, they may have only tested that with the older 300 & 400Wh Bosch batteries, which may have a slightly different handshaking protocol between charger & battery (eg. None, just 5V).

I see.

You've probably already thought about this but you could always piece together your own power pack with a solar charge controller for lithium. I've never tried any of them but there are a few out there designed for lithium. I actually have one but I've only used it on the "flooded" setting.

 

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Everything you are looking at is way too small. Start with a Goal Zero Yeti 1000, to be able to handle that size Bosch charger and amp rating, and add on their MPPT optimization module. And for the amount of time it will take to charge enough watt hours for the Bosch battery packs you probably would want 4 , 100 watt panels to make the system halfway practical. The panels you have to remember, are charging at relatively low voltages. Maybe 16 to 17 volts at peak, and lower on average throughout the day. I built my own solar charge station a few years ago, using a 100 amphour lead acid battery. Speaking from practical experience.

 

[MinnesotaMiles]

Thankyou, i've seen this and i will go down that track when my warranties finish. However, they may have only tested that with the older 300 & 400Wh Bosch batteries, which may have a slightly different handshaking protocol between charger & battery (eg. None, just 5V).
It's extremely difficult to get any clear information on all this Bosch charging stuff, seems at times i'm the only one interested.

No, you are not the only one. For me, charging while on the road is THE biggest issue in e-bike touring. Solutions include possible fast charging stations that do not exist (at least that I am aware), solar charging, and/or carrying a massive number of batteries.

One could create an entirely new touring industry if someone would provide fast charging stations, as the range of an e-bike would be limited to hours in the day, rather the range of a single battery.

 

[Alexander Harris]

I charge my e-bike with many different solar panels. AUD or Jackery Solar saga will do here.
Also you need a high capacity portable power station for Goal ZERO or Jackery Explorer
https://wildproofgear.com/the-best-portable-power-station/

Smaller powerbanks like Picowe, Enkeoo won't work here.

In short, get any panel larger than 60-Watt, for less than a-dollar-a-watt (if possible).

Most electric bike batteries are 36V lithium-ion (exact Lithium chemistry is beyond the scope of this instructables). You will need to find out the maximum charging current. This information is very likely in the battery sticker itself.

 

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These 2 are the best IMHO at the moment:

Beyond Technology-Suaoki

www.suaoki.com

PS10B 700Wh/1200Wh/1500Wh Portable Solar Generator – PowerOak America

poweroakamerica.com

But i'm still going it alone at the moment, the lightest, most flexible way.
I forgot to mention, this is for touring with on the bike. So Weight, Volume, Efficiency are all factors.
To go with 2 of these expensive but good panels: https://p3solar.com/portfolio/p3-125/