Slowly figuring it out - slow down, stop touching the throttle

FrankR

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I came to a conclusion during today's ride - I was going too fast.

I was enjoying the ride too much, hitting the throttle to maintain a fairly quick speed. Today, I decided to slow it down, keep the assist on, but, keep my hands off the throttle.

I enjoyed the ride a whole lot, got more exercise, and used up almost no battery. Previously, every time I saw a hill, I hit the throttle, telling myself - I can't pedal that.
Well, at a slower speed, in a lower gear, yeah, I can pedal it.

My 20mph-ish ride is now a 12mph ride.
 
I had several falls, fortunately not at full speed, My rides are set up to run no more that 15MPH on throttle and PAS. Helmetless for many years, but just got and wear my new consumerreports tested MIPS helmet from REI. On cooldays I wear my HeinGericke armored jacket from my Vespa years.

I think gloves are important gear too!
 
I came to a conclusion during today's ride - I was going too fast.

I was enjoying the ride too much, hitting the throttle to maintain a fairly quick speed. Today, I decided to slow it down, keep the assist on, but, keep my hands off the throttle.

I enjoyed the ride a whole lot, got more exercise, and used up almost no battery. Previously, every time I saw a hill, I hit the throttle, telling myself - I can't pedal that.
Well, at a slower speed, in a lower gear, yeah, I can pedal it.

My 20mph-ish ride is now a 12mph ride.
Everyone assumes riding an e-bike is going to be easy. It is I suppose, figuring only getting from point a to point b. Most I think, soon figure out there's a LOT more to it than meets the eye at first.

I think most of us suck at first, but things start falling into place (as you are seeing), and you get a LOT better. I've been riding 6 years now, and STILL play a game with myself to see how far I can go on a charge! I don't even think about coordinating the correct gear with my speed and PAS level on various surfaces under various conditions.

Maybe kinda like driving a manual shift car or motorcycle. Done long enough, using the clutch and proper gear usage is not something you think about much!
 
I did not find it a huge learning curve. but then again I have a mid drive so it feels pretty natural. I had not ridden in maybe 5 years. the bike felt pretty natural.
 
I did not find it a huge learning curve. but then again I have a mid drive so it feels pretty natural. I had not ridden in maybe 5 years. the bike felt pretty natural.
As mentioned, easy to get from point A to point B.....
 
I came to a conclusion during today's ride - I was going too fast.

I was enjoying the ride too much, hitting the throttle to maintain a fairly quick speed. Today, I decided to slow it down, keep the assist on, but, keep my hands off the throttle.

I enjoyed the ride a whole lot, got more exercise, and used up almost no battery. Previously, every time I saw a hill, I hit the throttle, telling myself - I can't pedal that.
Well, at a slower speed, in a lower gear, yeah, I can pedal it.

My 20mph-ish ride is now a 12mph ride.
After 1000 miles on my ebike, I must still constantly remind myself to slow down and enjoy the ride! and ditto on the throttle. On my daily route, I average 12-13mph and probably need to slow down a bit more because 40% of distance is on some rough trails, where I may top out at 8mph on the smoother sections.

I've found the only time I really need to go fast is when the thunder or raindrops start...
 
"I did not find it a huge learning curve. but then again I have a mid drive so it feels pretty natural. "

Here we go again. Let's start another discussion which always concludes that if you are not doing it my way, you are wrong. Mid drive vs hub drive has absolutely nothing to do with the OP's comment.
 
Curious. Since I got my ebike, I find it no different than riding my analog bike. Switch back and forth with no issue.

Is the "learning required" connected to the throttle? If yes, perhaps that should trigger formal training and proof of training (license) for throttle ebikes.
 
"I did not find it a huge learning curve. but then again I have a mid drive so it feels pretty natural. "

Here we go again. Let's start another discussion which always concludes that if you are not doing it my way, you are wrong. Mid drive vs hub drive has absolutely nothing to do with the OP's comment.
not saying that. I didn't to have a problem with my test ride on a hub drive either. now a e scooter took far more effort to learn.
 
I go about two mphs more than I do on an acoustic bike. I do not have to push my ebike up hills like I would on my acoustic bike. I've always been a galoompa loompa person--speed isn't important, except when having to outrun something.

I enjoy going longer distances.
 
I go about two mphs more than I do on an acoustic bike. I do not have to push my ebike up hills like I would on my acoustic bike. I've always been a galoompa loompa person--speed isn't important, except when having to outrun something.

I enjoy going longer distances.
with my commute speed saves time. so I got into the happy of going faster it makes I more fun. Going faster on our tandem means we can get out farther than we could otherwise.
 
with my commute speed saves time. so I got into the happy of going faster it makes I more fun. Going faster on our tandem means we can get out farther than we could otherwise.
Reinforcing the idea you're still learning. Speed costs energy. All else being equal, a SLOWER ride will let you travel further.
 
Reinforcing the idea you're still learning. Speed costs energy. A SLOWER ride will let you travel further.
no because thats more time in the saddle. the faster I go the farther we can get out using the motor to get us that speed while working the same. cruising at 18.5mph on our tandem takes the same effort as going 12mph with no motor. plus when time is limited on weekdays we can go father in the same amount of time.
 
I'm with foofer on this one for many of my rides. If I want to explore an area more than say 20kms away from home, It takes me a long time to get there at pedal-only speeds, and my schedule (or butt) don't always permit half-to-full-day rides. If I take the higher speed approach, I can make time to the new area, then enjoy a casual cruise around it stopping to smell the roses (or ocean in my case). Finally, swap to my second battery and haul butt home to keep it all under a couple/few hours of total riding time.

For me, the ability to enjoy many more riding areas while keeping my recreational rides under 3hrs or so, and without burning gas in the truck to commute there, is a huge reason for the ebike in the first place. I still enjoy a leisurely toddle around my neighborhood on a regular basis or when I have an hour or less to ride, but there are only a limited number of fun routes within 20-30km of home. Within 60-80km, I have dozens-to-hundreds of amazing and varied routes to keep it fresh and fun.

But that's the beauty of the ebike. It's a versatile beast.
 
I got my first motorcycle, a Kawasaki EX500, in 1988, and my first ebike this past week. Learning to ride with a throttle was not an issue. It works just like a motorcycle, just a lot slower. As far as speed goes, I fand that assist level 1 is not quite enough, but level 2 is a little bit too fast. Riding above 15 mph without a full-face helmet or at least goggles is uncomfortable on my eyes, and because I live in Northern New England, the roads are atrocious, and a 60 lb ebike with 65 psi tires hitting even minor pavement flaws is uncomfortablly jarring.

Mostly, I take it easy, and I only go faster during the few stretches of road where it is more necessary to be closer to automobile speeds.

People get irate at bicyclists on the street. Last night, I had a real jerk on a unmuffled Harley-Davidson motorcycle actually pass me on the right from a stop light in the middle of our Main Street business district downtown, and then immediately and dangerously swerve in front of me to change lanes to the left.

On the next block, there was a road crew occupying the right lane, so all traffic, including me, needed to merge left into the left turn only lane. There was less than half a block for him to do this, and another stop light immediately ahead, so there was absolutely no cause for him to pull such a stunt. He obviously did it intentionally, just to frighten me. I had a brief moment where I considered pulling up alongside him and confronting him, but I let it go.

And that was not the first Harley rider of the day to get his panties in a twist and pull a jerk stunt and scream obscenities at me because he decided I was in his way and didn't have any business using the streets downtown with my bicycle.

Earlier, on my way downtown, I had yet another jerk with unmuffled pipes and a minivan both zoom around me on a residential street, only to then come to a halt a block up, two abreast, and strart having a conversation, blocking the entire street.

So, I passed them on the left and continued my way downtown. Of course, they then caught up to me as I was approaching an intersection with a stop sign onto Main Street, and I refused to yield to them, as is my right. Now, mind you, turning right onto Main Street from here, you can only go half a block to the next stop light, where I needed to be in the left lane to then turn into the parking lot of the grocery store. And predictably, the jerk went ballistic, screaming at me to get out of his way.

Mind you, these are downtown, low speed limit streets, single-lane residential and classic East Coast small town Main Street business district with one travel lane and a turn only lane, not suburban stroads. And with 4-story brick buildings lining both sides of Main Street, the noise level of an unmuffled Harley-Davidson under heavy acceleration is positively criminal.
 
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I had several falls, fortunately not at full speed, My rides are set up to run no more that 15MPH on throttle and PAS. Helmetless for many years, but just got and wear my new consumerreports tested MIPS helmet from REI. On cooldays I wear my HeinGericke armored jacket from my Vespa years.

I think gloves are important gear too!
Was watching a guy yesterday riding very fast. No gloves, no helmet and flip flops.
gloves are so important in direct proportion to the value of hands in day to day life.

Want to freak yourself out? Look up degloving injuries. Yikes!
 
"I did not find it a huge learning curve. but then again I have a mid drive so it feels pretty natural. "

Here we go again. Let's start another discussion which always concludes that if you are not doing it my way, you are wrong. Mid drive vs hub drive has absolutely nothing to do with the OP's comment.
Exactly this. My hub motor feels perfectly natural to me. There is nothing about mid-drive that would make it feel any better. I pedal, the motor helps seamlessly, or I twist the throttle, and the bike smoothly accelerates. A lot of people simply believe whatever propaganda is put in front them about mid-drive's supposed superiority.

Granted, there are advantages to mid-drive, in some situations, but "natural feel" isn't one of them.
 
Curious. Since I got my ebike, I find it no different than riding my analog bike. Switch back and forth with no issue.

Is the "learning required" connected to the throttle? If yes, perhaps that should trigger formal training and proof of training (license) for throttle ebikes.
If there is any learning curve associated with throttle-only use, I can only surmise it must be dependent on how much torque the motor produces and how smoothly the throttle operates/ramps.

My RadMission supposedly produces 50 N-m torque and the throttle operation is linear and smooth. However, I am also a motorcyclist, so using the throttle from a standing start is not something I needed to learn.

I do wish the RadMission had a more powerful motor, not to go faster, but to climb the hills I need to climb with groceries and gear without bogging down quite as much.
 
My RadMission
Does your ebike have a pedal forward design so your seat is relatively closer to the road so you can put both feet on the road while on the seat? I used to ride motorcycles, but would imagine it is tougher to get going with a throttle on the geometry of either my analog or ebike.

I could see getting going with a throttle using a geometry like the Townie to be similar to a motorcycle, but I don't care for the feel pedaling that geometry.
 
I'm with foofer on this one for many of my rides. If I want to explore an area more than say 20kms away from home, It takes me a long time to get there at pedal-only speeds, and my schedule (or butt) don't always permit half-to-full-day rides. If I take the higher speed approach, I can make time to the new area, then enjoy a casual cruise around it stopping to smell the roses (or ocean in my case). Finally, swap to my second battery and haul butt home to keep it all under a couple/few hours of total riding time.

For me, the ability to enjoy many more riding areas while keeping my recreational rides under 3hrs or so, and without burning gas in the truck to commute there, is a huge reason for the ebike in the first place. I still enjoy a leisurely toddle around my neighborhood on a regular basis or when I have an hour or less to ride, but there are only a limited number of fun routes within 20-30km of home. Within 60-80km, I have dozens-to-hundreds of amazing and varied routes to keep it fresh and fun.

But that's the beauty of the ebike. It's a versatile beast.
The idea was, which is going to use more power? A fast ride will clearly use more power than a slow one, if for no other reason than increased wind resistance. I understand where if you only have a limited amount of time and you want to cover the most country possible, but that's a whole different scenario, no?
 
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