Range experience?

[Stefan Mikes]

At those kw/mi...

Wh/mi.

You're on a moped.

My Vado is registered as a moped.

I'm contacting the Polish Police... are you sure you don't have a throttle?

The pedals are my throttle.
Demo ride a Specialized Vado because I feel you've never tried a real e-bike.

 

[Gionnirocket]

Wh/mi.

Sorry typo... pre_coffee

My Vado is registered as a moped.

and I can understand why when you are being taken for a ride.

The pedals are my throttle.
Demo ride a Specialized Vado because I feel you've never tried a real e-bike.

na... My Bafang BBS seems to do a much better job of "assisting" a rider.
Perhaps you should demo a Bafang and try an ebike and not a registered moped because you are either going for a battery ride and/or your Vado is one inefficient p o s.

 

[K PierreR]

I was on a metric century ride on my Vado 5.0 with two batteries yesterday, and made the battery consumption measurement on each of them.
Battery #1: Average speed 24.0 km/h (14.9 mph). Battery consumption was 9.06 Wh/km (14.58 Wh/mi).
Battery #2: Average speed 21.0 km/h (13.0 mph). Battery consumption was 6.81 Wh/km (11.00 Wh/mi).

Same assistance level for both tests. The battery #1 of actual charge of 533 Wh was good for 76 km (47.2 mi).

I think your numbers illustrate what I was talking about with more Wh/km the longer you ride. I assume the first 3/4 of your ride was on battery one. That included the time you were fresh with energy. By the time you started on battery two, you were fading in energy levels, a bit slower and using more Wh/km

Ghost pedaling? Is that even possible on a torque sensed bike? With a big heavy rig like mine and torque sensing, I don't know as I would make it up some of the hills near the end of a long ride. When the hills get steep, my bike is often more efficient ghost pedaling than putting my effort in. I have seen the time when I was pulling 1,450 watts from the battery plus my pathetic effort and going 4.5 mph (7.2kph). Dropping to a lower gear and ghost pedaling where the chainring spins at 120 rpm+ got me 6mph (9.6kph) at the same 1,450 watts battery draw.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I think your numbers illustrate what I was talking about with more Wh/km the longer you ride. I assume the first 3/4 of your ride was on battery one. That included the time you were fresh with energy. By the time you started on battery two, you were fading in energy levels, a bit slower and using more Wh/km

Ghost pedaling? Is that even possible on a torque sensed bike? With a big heavy rig like mine and torque sensing, I don't know as I would make it up some of the hills near the end of a long ride. When the hills get steep, my bike is often more efficient ghost pedaling than putting my effort in. I have seen the time when I was pulling 1,450 watts from the battery plus my pathetic effort and going 4.5 mph (7.2kph). Dropping to a lower gear and ghost pedaling where the chainring spins at 120 rpm+ got me 6mph (9.6kph) at the same 1,450 watts battery draw.

Gionni is a troll Ignore that part please.

The latest ride was quite unusual. It started with a nice tailwind, and I wanted to reach my destination fast. The battery use was above the normal.

On the return way, the headwind turned out to be mild. That part was really recreational and I pedalled slowly. Far lower battery consumption, which was unusual!

 

[Gionnirocket]

Gionni is a troll Ignore that part please.

The latest ride was quite unusual. It started with a nice tailwind, and I wanted to reach my destination fast. The battery use was above the normal.

On the return way, the headwind turned out to be mild. That part was really recreational and I pedalled slowly. Far lower battery consumption, which was unusual!

Strong tailwind and no headwind on returning... That for sure sounds like moped stats now.
No wonder you're a Strava Star.. or should I say that your batteries are.
Next time take all three batteries and post route maps and the screenshots for the full bullshit effect.

 

[PedalUma]

Four hours in the saddle? There is a curve. This also applies to bacon, beer, and many good things. At first each unit of ride time is better than the previous unit. Then it levels out. Then it drops off a cliff. 72 miles at 18 Mph is four-hours of riding. That would not be fun. If he went slower it would be even worse, dragging out the pain. Sitting through the second feature of a four-hour double feature would be a horror show. I guess everyone's butt is different. That is just not my idea of a good time. And he is claiming 9.5 hours of ride time. That is one giant slab of bacon.

 

[MartsEbike]

I have about 1300w between my two batteries on my Frey EX. Real world usage I get between 45-60 miles in range depending on many factors. Terrain, elevation, wind etc... I tend to ride 30 mile rides so I'm well within range, at least most of the time.... I know if I can empty the tank in 15-20 miles if I nail it. I tend to ride level 1/2, using 3/4/5 liberally where needed. The most I've had out of it was around 65 miles. tbh, that's plenty, that's 2-3 hours in the saddle, and by that time I'm glad to put the bike down

 

[PedalUma]

People who are extrinsically motivated are boring. Lacking inner life, they are attracted to things like Strava, boasting, dressing up in silly costumes, and lying. That is the personality profile. It can be taken to extremes.

 

[Bobber]

Today being Sunday I fiqured I'd try a special long distance flat ride. It is mostly flat with some mild to light moderate hills. I did 74.8 miles and the battery died on the super steep hills near my house. The last mile is a bitch and really sucks the life force out of the battery. I have the Bafang 52v mid-drive with the 17.4ah Whale Shark battery. I tried to pedal home but I get severe motor drag when out of juice or trying to pedal at 1 or 2 PAS so I had to push it the last 1/2 mile. Is that a Bafang thing or is it just me?

 

[Gionnirocket]

Today being Sunday I fiqured I'd try a special long distance flat ride. It is mostly flat with some mild to light moderate hills. I did 74.8 miles and the battery died on the super steep hills near my house. The last mile is a bitch and really sucks the life force out of the battery. I have the Bafang 52v mid-drive with the 17.4ah Whale Shark battery. I tried to pedal home but I get severe motor drag when out of juice or trying to pedal at 1 or 2 PAS so I had to push it the last 1/2 mile. Is that a Bafang thing or is it just me?

Just you... I'd say it was tired legs after 75 miles as there is no motor drag.

 

[Sefutau2020]

My range based on riding in ALL ECO mode for each bike….riding the same route over many months:

• 2022 Trek Allant 8s (625w) = 66 miles (32% battery left)
• 2022 Giant Fastroad Ex Pro (500w) = 56 miles (25% battery left) ** ECO mode was at 50% not the default 100%
• 2022 Specialized Vado 4 (710w) = 46 miles (40% battery left) ** ECO mode default 35/35

Once, just to test it, I ran the Vado 4.0 in full Turbo mode just to see how far I could go…..a tick over 40 miles before the battery hit 2%. That was impressive. The Giant Fastroad sucked up the battery in it’s highest mode in around 20 miles. The Allant 8s died at around 28 miles. Seems like the bigger battery on the Specialized shows up when you are in Turbo mode better than the other two.

 

[Bobber]

I was playing around with my bike when it was new. At full power it would do about 20 miles. It's so fast (36 mph) that it is useless pedaling so it's almost all just the motor.

 

[pmcdonald]

Interesting thread, if slightly meaningless as a comparison due to all the variables.

I've ridden 7110km in 97 battery cycles, with a current reported battery health of 96%. Back of napkin calculation gives me 6.6wh per km (10.6wh per mi for those using the old system). Mainly flat with about 60 metres of climbing per ride. 300% assist. Giant Explore with the nominal 250w 70nm Syncdrive Sport motor.

A 'full tank' on the bike gives me an expected real world range of 72km (38 mi). Which sounds about right. I've learnt not to trust the bikes range and percentage estimates - once it gets to 20% things go down fast.

The lowest I saw on a ride was about 3wh per km, but again pretty meaningless because my legs were contributing the bulk of assist.