Pulled the trigger on a Scorpion today

[TMH]

If I had known I could get color-matched fenders on the HyperScorpion, I would have waited... Not!

Interesting find though @Ericcson006 .

With the 'brand new motor design' in the Hyper, while I'm not anticipating any significant issues or problems, it is certainly comforting to be only a few hours North of Juiced Bikes.

 

[Bruce Arnold]

If I had known I could get color-matched fenders on the HyperScorpion, I would have waited... Not!

 

[Bruce Arnold]

Got an email from Juiced today. My Scorpion has shipped. FedEx says it arrives on Tuesday the 30th. These next few days are going to be soooo sloooow.

 

[TMH]

Congrats! We'll all be waiting for your comments after the first rides.

Looks like I won't be seeing our Brushed Hyper until late next month but Juiced seems to be making great progress in manufacture and delivery.

I wonder where their pricing will go on these bikes as they seem to fit very well into a potential role between normal e-bike and gas scooter for post-COVID return-to-work folks who don't want to use public transit.

 

[Bruce Arnold]

Congrats! We'll all be waiting for your comments after the first rides.

Looks like I won't be seeing our Brushed Hyper until late next month but Juiced seems to be making great progress in manufacture and delivery.

I wonder where their pricing will go on these bikes as they seem to fit very well into a potential role between normal e-bike and gas scooter for post-COVID return-to-work folks who don't want to use public transit.

We may be glad we got ours while the prices were low.

 

[Bruce Arnold]

Arrived today. Bonnie and I went for a 10 mile ride. As we thought, pedaling will be an adjustment. The geometry is different from the CCS. Not at all bad, though. I like the upright posture, and being able to put my feet down easily. I had to tippy-toe at stoplights on the CCS.

I like it. It's a lot of fun, and very comfortable to ride. The suspension works like a charm.

I wish it had the same 9 gears that the CCS has instead of 7. The top gear isn't tall enough for my tastes. I'm not sure what the range is, but it sure doesn't feel like 11 teeth in top gear. But I can do an easy 18 mph in PAS 2 on level ground in top gear, so what am I griping about?

 

[TMH]

Very glad to hear that it can be pedaled!

Looks to be a good height for you. If you don't mind... height and inseam?

 

[Bruce Arnold]

I want to add this. Two and a half years ago, when so many of us were getting our CCS's, we had such a community of exploration, trying various mods, pushing the limits of our bikes to find out what they'd do, sharing experiences with each other. I'm glad to be have been part of that. Asher, Reid, John, Chris, Andy, and others.

Very glad to hear that it can be pedaled!

Looks to be a good height for you. If you don't mind... height and inseam?

I'm 5'10" with a 32' inseam. Kinda long legged for my height.

The pedaling would be better if my Santa Claus belly wasn't in the way. Maybe that will encourage me to lose a few pounds!

 

[Bruce Arnold]

Getting a lot of miles in, and making the adjustment from the CCS to the Scorpion.

I realized today that for all of my life I've pedaled with the ball of my foot. On the Scorpion, if I use the arch/instep area, I get better knee extension and feel less bunched-up. Since it's a pedal-forward stance, using the balls of the feet is not more efficient as it is on your average diamond-frame bike.

Also, on the CCS the posture was lean-forward. On this one, it's sit-upright. Like riding a motorcycle with ape hangers.

Put the two together, and pedaling is more efficient and comfortable than trying to ride it like every other bike I've ever owned.

I use the pedal assist and throttle differently than on the CCS. On the CCS I tended to set the PAS and use the gears to maintain my cadence. On this one, I tend to set the gear, and use the PAS more. Is this because it is cadence-sensor-only, where the CCS has torque sensing? Perhaps -- haven't decided.

One thing different about cadence sensing vs. torque sensing: it takes longer for the pedal assist to kick in. I compensate by feathering in a bit of throttle at the commencement of the pedal stroke. That gets the motor running right away. Only takes a split second and then I let the pedals do the work.

Twist throttle vs. thumb throttle. I kind of liked the thumb throttle. It felt like I had more delicate control. But having ridden motorcycles all my life, it's no big deal using twist throttle instead.

Yep, I'm liking this bike.

 

[alloo]

Arrived today. Bonnie and I went for a 10 mile ride. As we thought, pedaling will be an adjustment. The geometry is different from the CCS. Not at all bad, though. I like the upright posture, and being able to put my feet down easily. I had to tippy-toe at stoplights on the CCS.

I like it. It's a lot of fun, and very comfortable to ride. The suspension works like a charm.

I wish it had the same 9 gears that the CCS has instead of 7. The top gear isn't tall enough for my tastes. I'm not sure what the range is, but it sure doesn't feel like 11 teeth in top gear. But I can do an easy 18 mph in PAS 2 on level ground in top gear, so what am I griping about?

How tall are you? What is your inseam? Thank You! I am thinking about getting one to supplement my ebike and motorscooter.

 

[TMH]

How tall are you? What is your inseam? Thank You! I am thinking about getting one to supplement my ebike and motorscooter.

Look 2 posts up.

 

[Bruce Arnold]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention. This bike is very nimble. Great turning radius.

I'm looking forward to hearing other riders' comments. @TMH when your wife's HyperScorpion arrives, I'm sure you will give us your impressions.

 

[Bruce Arnold]

I've ridden the Scorpion 32 miles since the last full charge. Still have 3 bars left on the LCD, or resting voltage of 47.2 (~30% charge.) I think I could get another 4.5--5.0 miles before hitting 20% charge. It's not quite as zippy as full charge, of course, but still satisfactory. I pedal 90% of the time. I wasn't trying to get maximum mileage. Using mostly level 1-2 with occasional Eco or 0.

I'm pretty happy with that. I haven't ridden over 30 miles in one day since 1990 or thereabouts, so that's plenty of battery for me. Would I like to have the 19.4Ah battery? You bet I would. Not so much for the extended mileage, as for keeping the voltage higher for a longer time = better acceleration for a longer time.

 

[TMH]

I think that the street tires which come on these are smooth enough to have pretty good rolling efficiency, especially since they can be run up at the listed pressures since the Scorp's already have f/r suspension. Plus the mag wheels with what, 5 spokes?, are probably also more efficient to run at speed compared to normal bicycle spoked wheels.

Getting the Hyper we automatically get the big battery, but also the bigger motor which is going to suck the juice more quickly. And the higher top speed, which will draw that battery power down even faster. We'll just have to see what we get after it shows up and we can ride it some. At least we are now in 'delivery month', or so I hope!

 

[alloo]

How many levels of assist? What is the the speed at the first three pedal assist level? What is the range at each level pedaling. Thank You.

 

[Bruce Arnold]

How many levels of assist? What is the the speed at the first three pedal assist level? What is the range at each level pedaling. Thank You.

Assist levels: 0 (lights and LCD screen work, and you can use the throttle, but no pedal assist); Eco, 1, 2, 3, Sport, and Race. As far as I can tell, the only difference between Sport and Race is that the throttle will keep working above 20 mph in Race.

I couldn't say what the range of each level is. Not yet anyway. So far, I change PAS to maintain my cadence in whatever gear I'm using, rather than to go a certain speed. That means Eco or 0 on downhills, 2 or 3 on uphills, and usually Eco or 1 on the level. This is different from how I rode the CCS, where I mostly used the same PAS and changed gears to maintain cadence. I attribute that to the difference in geometry.

I've seen photos of Tora tearing around at 28 or over on a Hyper Scorpion. I don't know how he does it. The fastest I've gone on this bike, on the level, was around 22, in R mode, and I was pedaling like a monkey ........ with a football. That's due as much to the lower gearing as to the geometry; some of both.

 

[TMH]

I've seen photos of Tora tearing around at 28 or over on a Hyper Scorpion. I don't know how he does it. The fastest I've gone on this bike, on the level, was around 22, in R mode, and I was pedaling like a monkey ........ with a football. That's due as much to the lower gearing as to the geometry; some of both.

It is due to the different motors, the one in the Hyper being newly developed specifically for the bike.

Scorpion = 750 watt motor (nominal?)
Hyper = 1,000 watt motor, nominal. According to one of the videos, Tora specifies that "peak power is about 1,800 watts."

In the same video he specifies that the design specification for the Hyper was 30 mph on throttle only (in Sport mode).

 

[alloo]

What kind of shifter does it have? Trigger or Twist Shifter?

 

[Bruce Arnold]

What kind of shifter does it have? Trigger or Twist Shifter?

Twist.