Not seeing much of a difference between eco and sport on a derestricted X1 2300 ultra?

[Westlafadeaway]

I'm likely confused. So I am tinkering with my new UC pro- destrestricted controller, 2300 watt ultra, kindernay. I rode for a week in eco and I ride on a long stretch of places where there's no cars, traffic or anyone and I can really open it up. In Eco I was hitting 28 mph, and yesterday I took the plunge into the Sport. In Sport I still was only hitting 28 mph but just a little faster. It was my understanding that Eco is mostly limited to 750 watts and the sport unlocks the 2300 watts, but I'm not really seeing a big difference. I thought I'd be hitting a much higher speed?

 

[pushkar]

Speed is a function of gear ratio primarily. Wattage dictates how fast you get there.

Throttle is not affected by eco or sport. Derestricted means you are giving it all 2300W but it will only drive as fast as your gears allow.

I would think avout it as a car with manual shift in 1st gear- doesn’t matter if your car is a Porsche or a geo metro. It’s only going to go so fast.

1. What is your front sprocket and what is your rear sprocket ?
2. Is it a cassette or a belt?
3. If it’s a hub, which one ?

 

[Merle Nelson]

Interested to understand more....

@Westlafadeaway

 

[reed scott]

Interested to understand more....

@Westlafadeaway

Well, it's really all there in Pushkar's post. If you want to go faster you need a larger chain ring. 30mph which is what I can reach with clown pedaling and my 40 tooth chain ring is faster than I want to go. I never even use the 'sport' half of my controller because 25 mph which I can do realistically is still faster than I want to go and 'eco' 5 gets me there real quick. But this is just me. I'm a wimp about speed on two wheels having survived a couple pretty good pile ups on motorcycles and know how it feels. I was lucky back then and no longer want to take real chances. Shucks, you can kill yourself at 20 mph.

 

[Merle Nelson]

Yes I won't have any need to go faster either. And yes Pushkar's post did explain a lot and makes the concept of higher wattage availability as well as when to employ different gearing very easy to grasp.

Peoples individual experiences of things is something I find very useful to me. So, what does it feel like to be accessing a derestricted motor? What does the Kinderley feel like in use? (After the advertising....what does the end user get out of them?)

Similarly I believe I saw that you were interested in the XL Hydra. I would be interested to know what leg length you are, and if I am right and you get it, how it feels to you.

 

[reed scott]

Yes I won't have any need to go faster either. And yes Pushkar's post did explain a lot and makes the concept of higher wattage availability as well as when to employ different gearing very easy to grasp.

Peoples individual experiences of things is something I find very useful to me. So, what does it feel like to be accessing a derestricted motor? What does the Kinderley feel like in use? (After the advertising....what does the end user get out of them?)

Similarly I believe I saw that you were interested in the XL Hydra. I would be interested to know what leg length you are, and if I am right and you get it, how it feels to you.

Yeah, If there had been an XL on the shelf I would have specified one. I just like big frames. My inseam is 34 inches and on a bike I want the top of my seat to be 36 1/2 inches from the down stroke pedal. So I can go either way. The large frame with an uncut steerer tube and the seat high enough will be fine for me. I wonder about the Kindernay as well and hope to try one out one day. But I'm not personally convinced it is the way to go without real time experience. I like the simplicity of a chain and cassette. I've ridden powerful motorcycles ( KTM in my 50s and had a Harley belt drive decades ago) and owned muscle cars in days past as well. I've never ridden a small wattage bike but the idea simply does not appeal to me. The power of my Archon X1 on the Frey AM 1000, to me, is close to perfect. Ugly but perfect. The Hydra will be my Sunday go to meeting ride or my every day ride if ( when ) the Frey has to be repaired. I am of the camp that believes in having at least two ebikes. If I won the lottery I'd have six or more.

Sorry girl but you are ugly. Your geometry is clumsy. Your paint job is plain. With a rack and fender you look over dressed. But you are strong and fast and I love you.

 

[Bubba zanetti]

....I never even use the 'sport' half of my controller because 25 mph which I can do realistically is still faster than I want to go and 'eco' 5 gets me there real quic I'm a wimp about speed on two wheels having survived a couple pretty good pile ups on motorcycles and know how it feels. ...Shucks, you can kill yourself at 20 mph.

Or worse. You could have a dozen rib fractures and a collapsed lung. An unarmored body hurtling at 35 mph is a deadly combination and seems to require an absence of Imagination.

 

[Merle Nelson]

Yeah, If there had been an XL on the shelf I would have specified one. I just like big frames. My inseam is 34 inches and on a bike I want the top of my seat to be 36 1/2 inches from the down stroke pedal. So I can go either way. The large frame with an uncut steerer tube and the seat high enough will be fine for me. I wonder about the Kindernay as well and hope to try one out one day. But I'm not personally convinced it is the way to go without real time experience. I like the simplicity of a chain and cassette. I've ridden powerful motorcycles ( KTM in my 50s and had a Harley belt drive decades ago) and owned muscle cars in days past as well. I've never ridden a small wattage bike but the idea simply does not appeal to me. The power of my Archon X1 on the Frey AM 1000, to me, is close to perfect. Ugly but perfect. The Hydra will be my Sunday go to meeting ride or my every day ride if ( when ) the Frey has to be repaired. I am of the camp that believes in having at least two ebikes. If I won the lottery I'd have six or more.

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Sorry girl but you are ugly. Your geometry is clumsy. Your paint job is plain. With a rack and fender you look over dressed. But you are strong and fast and I love you.

Great information and perspective. Thanks for taking the time to post.

When it comes to real world experience of something I see so much value in that as well. When buying equipment for my tree service business I have traveled to places where I could see the equipment in action, worked for free to be around it under working conditions etc.

This forum is invaluable to have access to peoples experiences before one buys.