Catalyzt
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The monster arrived and is assembled! Full review coming soon -- there are not enough Motobecane reviews posted, and none for this odd model -- zip, zero, nada. Here's what it looks like-- cooler in person than the photo on the Bikes Direct website, I think:
For the three weeks it took to have the bike shipped and assembled, I've been agonizing over the question:
How different is this 49 pound 250 Watt 40 Nm torque-sensor mid-drive pedelec (max assist 20 MPH) going to be from 40 pound my kit bike (Trek 930/Hiltopper), a 250 Watt 30 Nm throttle-only hub drive Class III (max assist unknowable, but likely about 23 MPH)? I was on a budget, and I knew it would be underpowered, but how painful would it be? Would 40 Nm be enough?
The answer: Probably. Almost certain I'm keeping it. The power-to-weight is RIGHT on the edge, and I'm also seeking advice on the best way-- if there is one-- to solve that problem eventually-- I think it has to be dropping weight, because I do not think the Shimano E5000 frame mount will fit any other Shimano motor. The following crude test was done mostly at max assist for the Moto, though I did dial it down to normal, eco, or off when possible. These are rough estimates, as the Moto numbers are coming from the display, and the Trek numbers are from an app and a stopwatch. Let's start with the bad news:
Maximum Speed Uphill: Advantage Trek. On 4.4 miles (one way) with 850 feet of moderate but relentless vertical, the Trek is roughly 8.5% faster. Took me 22 minutes flat on the Moto vs. 20 minutes and change on the Trek. That's the hardest thing to accept. It's very back-of-the-envelope, I may have been working harder on the Moto, but I also used just a bit less assist than I wanted to at the very end of the run, because it's the last ride of the week and I was nearing the end of my range, I'm figuring those two things cancel each other out. Also was a bit sloppy with the chrono on the G-Shock, but probably pretty close.
Maximum Speed Downhill: Advantage Moto. Same route, 4.4 miles, at 31.3 MPH, the Moto was 8% faster. No surprise there, and again, sloppy numbers, but I know that on that run, I tried really hard, and repeatedly, on the Trek, but barely hit 29.
Average Speed: Advantage Moto! This was the biggest surprise, because the Trek feels faster. Guess what? It isn't. I can't figure a valid average, because I didn't record an average speed on the Trek for this particular run, but today the average speed on the Moto was 13.8 MPH. On the Trek, I've never cracked an average of 13 MPH on any of the 30 runs I logged. That means that just today, the Moto was roughly 6% faster than any run on the Trek!
Isn't that weird? Except for going downhill, the Trek feels faster for sure. I'd been told about this pedelec vs. throttle effect, that the subjective experience was misleading, but it's astonishing to experience. The motor does tend to surge just a bit on certain hills between 6 and 8 MPH-- goes from 1/2 to full assist kind of abruptly, and it's at a cadence and crank pressure that I find just a little uncomfortable-- a little too hard, a little too fast. So it is a real workout to ride.
Man, I just wish it was a little faster uphill. I'm guessing that it's possible to drop three pounds for about $1,000-- probably tires, CF bars, stem, and seat post, possibly different shocks/fork (though I really like the Suntour, I don't know crap about suspension) and that it might be worth doing. It's just right on the edge, guys... at the point where little stuff makes a difference I can feel. Locking out the suspension definitely made a difference (I did for this test). When I don't wear my 5 pound armored jacket (I wore it for this test), it feels closer to where it should be. If I can get it down to 46 pounds, and switch to a 2.5 standalone armored vest for a net decrease of 5.5, I think that could put me where I want to be.
Maybe I'm crazy and I should just ride the hell out of this thing for two or three years, then bite the bullet and spend 4 or 5 grand and then get a Class III. (Ouch! The Moto cost only $2,000 + $150 for assembly. And I love the way it rides and handles, size is perfect.) Interested in your thoughts.
For the three weeks it took to have the bike shipped and assembled, I've been agonizing over the question:
How different is this 49 pound 250 Watt 40 Nm torque-sensor mid-drive pedelec (max assist 20 MPH) going to be from 40 pound my kit bike (Trek 930/Hiltopper), a 250 Watt 30 Nm throttle-only hub drive Class III (max assist unknowable, but likely about 23 MPH)? I was on a budget, and I knew it would be underpowered, but how painful would it be? Would 40 Nm be enough?
The answer: Probably. Almost certain I'm keeping it. The power-to-weight is RIGHT on the edge, and I'm also seeking advice on the best way-- if there is one-- to solve that problem eventually-- I think it has to be dropping weight, because I do not think the Shimano E5000 frame mount will fit any other Shimano motor. The following crude test was done mostly at max assist for the Moto, though I did dial it down to normal, eco, or off when possible. These are rough estimates, as the Moto numbers are coming from the display, and the Trek numbers are from an app and a stopwatch. Let's start with the bad news:
Maximum Speed Uphill: Advantage Trek. On 4.4 miles (one way) with 850 feet of moderate but relentless vertical, the Trek is roughly 8.5% faster. Took me 22 minutes flat on the Moto vs. 20 minutes and change on the Trek. That's the hardest thing to accept. It's very back-of-the-envelope, I may have been working harder on the Moto, but I also used just a bit less assist than I wanted to at the very end of the run, because it's the last ride of the week and I was nearing the end of my range, I'm figuring those two things cancel each other out. Also was a bit sloppy with the chrono on the G-Shock, but probably pretty close.
Maximum Speed Downhill: Advantage Moto. Same route, 4.4 miles, at 31.3 MPH, the Moto was 8% faster. No surprise there, and again, sloppy numbers, but I know that on that run, I tried really hard, and repeatedly, on the Trek, but barely hit 29.
Average Speed: Advantage Moto! This was the biggest surprise, because the Trek feels faster. Guess what? It isn't. I can't figure a valid average, because I didn't record an average speed on the Trek for this particular run, but today the average speed on the Moto was 13.8 MPH. On the Trek, I've never cracked an average of 13 MPH on any of the 30 runs I logged. That means that just today, the Moto was roughly 6% faster than any run on the Trek!
Isn't that weird? Except for going downhill, the Trek feels faster for sure. I'd been told about this pedelec vs. throttle effect, that the subjective experience was misleading, but it's astonishing to experience. The motor does tend to surge just a bit on certain hills between 6 and 8 MPH-- goes from 1/2 to full assist kind of abruptly, and it's at a cadence and crank pressure that I find just a little uncomfortable-- a little too hard, a little too fast. So it is a real workout to ride.
Man, I just wish it was a little faster uphill. I'm guessing that it's possible to drop three pounds for about $1,000-- probably tires, CF bars, stem, and seat post, possibly different shocks/fork (though I really like the Suntour, I don't know crap about suspension) and that it might be worth doing. It's just right on the edge, guys... at the point where little stuff makes a difference I can feel. Locking out the suspension definitely made a difference (I did for this test). When I don't wear my 5 pound armored jacket (I wore it for this test), it feels closer to where it should be. If I can get it down to 46 pounds, and switch to a 2.5 standalone armored vest for a net decrease of 5.5, I think that could put me where I want to be.
Maybe I'm crazy and I should just ride the hell out of this thing for two or three years, then bite the bullet and spend 4 or 5 grand and then get a Class III. (Ouch! The Moto cost only $2,000 + $150 for assembly. And I love the way it rides and handles, size is perfect.) Interested in your thoughts.