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Ordered 4 Milano+ today for the wife, and 3 neighbor's / friends.
Hopefully they are as well built and issue free as my new Moscow! Little jealous everyone get's hyd brakes except me ☹️!
 
Widegide said:
Ordered 4 Milano+ today for the wife, and 3 neighbor's / friends.
Hopefully they are as well built and issue free as my new Moscow! Little jealous everyone get's hyd brakes except me ☹️!
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I all honesty, I feel my V-brakes on my Dahon Espresso stop me way quicker than the hydraulic disc brakes. Apples to oranges comparisons but I feel under-impressed with disc brakes overall, the Moscow+ is my first bike with disc brakes. My other bikes (all V-brakes) can absolutely lock the tires at any speed and have tremendous leverage over a disc brake, I really don't get the love of disc brakes. They have to run hotter, they have less mechanical advantage that they try to make up for by gripping the rotor extra hard.

I realize calipers and pistons in the disc brake can squeeze VERY hard, but they just need to manufacture a caliper and piston out on the rim and that would be a far better brake that runs cooler and has better leverage to stop the wheel. It would be like a 27.5" brake rotor, lol.

I'd love to do a stopping distance comparison between my Dahon Espresso and my Moscow Plus from the same speed with the same rider. The Moscow is much heavier I admit.
 
Having disc brakes are already a major advantage over V-brakes.

Unless you are doing some serious downhilling, good mechanical disc brakes will work very well.

Hydraulics require less force from the hand because no energy is lost in wire stretching, so that can be an advantage for some, but if so, then they shouldn't be riding a bike, let alone on something that runs at 32 km/h.

Hydraulics sound "better" so most people want them for no other reason.
 
Yes, had them for a while now.
They are a fairly big bike, with the 27.5" tires. If you are a short person, this may not be the bike for you. You have to get one foot up fairly high to step thru.
3 of the owners have adapted to the size and really enjoy the bike. One is struggling a bit with it's size.
 
Thanks!

Thinking about it for my wife...5'9".....
can you confirm..
Does it have a throttle?
What is top speed throttle only?
Top speed peddle assist?

Thinking about regular Milan, not the plus. $640 less and in stock at Leon's USA
 
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If she is a cyclist, at 5'9" she should have no issues!
I don't know what the US designated models will top out at.
Canadian market models are governed to 20mph both throttle and peddle assist.

Yes, they have throttle.
 
Bitmugger said:
I all honesty, I feel my V-brakes on my Dahon Espresso stop me way quicker than the hydraulic disc brakes. Apples to oranges comparisons but I feel under-impressed with disc brakes overall, the Moscow+ is my first bike with disc brakes. My other bikes (all V-brakes) can absolutely lock the tires at any speed and have tremendous leverage over a disc brake, I really don't get the love of disc brakes. They have to run hotter, they have less mechanical advantage that they try to make up for by gripping the rotor extra hard.

I realize calipers and pistons in the disc brake can squeeze VERY hard, but they just need to manufacture a caliper and piston out on the rim and that would be a far better brake that runs cooler and has better leverage to stop the wheel. It would be like a 27.5" brake rotor, lol.

I'd love to do a stopping distance comparison between my Dahon Espresso and my Moscow Plus from the same speed with the same rider. The Moscow is much heavier I admit.
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I would prefer rim brakes because they put less stress on the spokes. Also with discs on a rear hub, it can be
necessary to remove the disc the replace a broken spoke, a labor intensive pain in the butt. The rim brakes
on my 37 yr.old road bike stop just as well on the discs on my ebike. They even make hydraulic rim brakes
these days. Rims are far simpler to maintain. I´ve seriously consider putting rims on my moscow, at least
on the rear wheel.
 
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Milano was delivered today, Saturday...
Assembly was easy. Everything packed well.
I'm 6'1" and my wife is 5'9". The front stem is adjustable. The bike fits us both well.


First impression is great. Nice bike for the price point.
 
john peck said:
I would prefer rim brakes because they put less stress on the spokes. Also with discs on a rear hub, it can be
necessary to remove the disc the replace a broken spoke, a labor intensive pain in the butt. The rim brakes
on my 37 yr.old road bike stop just as well on the discs on my ebike. They even make hydraulic rim brakes
these days. Rims are far simpler to maintain. I´ve seriously consider putting rims on my moscow, at least
on the rear wheel.
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I have broken my 4th spoke now and have managed to avoid getting one of the spokes that require the disc to be removed but when it does happen and I'm in the field my thought is to put the spoke in backwards (in terms of orientation through the hub hole) and ride it home that way. Any thoughts on how that trick would work longer term until maybe I had a few spokes that were in backwards then remove the disc and correct them at once? You've got tons more spoke experience, how do you deal with the hard to change spokes that break on a ride? I'd basically like to do several quickie spoke changes in the field and then occasional full wheel disassembles when I've broken a few. So in the field I'll re-use the nipple for instance to save deflating the tire. I must say I am really annoyed NCM has this issue and never addresses it, it seems like a few experiments with lacing and spoke quality and/or chamfering the hub holes would reveal a solution they could implement, or at least have a spoke replacement policy and if you are struck with issues send you 5-10 spokes anytime you need them under the warranty period, my bike was 2 months old and NCM Canada told me to get lost but NCM Australia has a policy of no-fuss spoke replacements for bikes even over a year old.

We've discussed disc brakes before in another thread and like yourself I am totally over them, I'd take a rim brake any day and would love to try hydraulic rim brakes. Discs seem better in the wet for drying quicker and probably have an advantage in mud too but other than that I can't find anything to especially love about them, they work ok but don't seem like the next great thing and my son's disc got something on it or is out of true and although we tried lots of tutorials it required replacement where with a rim brake that pulsing would have signaled an out of true wheel and I'd have corrected it with tools (or been able to find the spot on the rim with debris). Total cost for disc and pads was under $30 so I will say components are cheap and that was with real Tektro ceramic pads and no-name discs but I could also replace the entire caliper assembly and pads for rim brakes for $30 (using cheapy parts), but the reality is nothing breaks on a rim brakes they just wear out and you need new pads.
 
I´ve made several attempts at a spoke blocked by the disc with zero success with disc in place.
I do have several ´Ś´ shaped spokes.
 
You have hijacked this tread 😁

It's supposed to give info and feedback on the NCM Milano. Not a big deal, but there isn't much info on them in this forum......

There are other threads on NCM spoke issues😁
 
Still looking for an Ebike, the Milano seems like a possibility. I'm a bit confused by their website. Looks like only one frame size at 27.5" and the show different heights below but I'm not sure how they relate. Also their geometry diagram shows minimum seat height at about 34 inches and that might be a bit tall for me (29" inseam, about 5'7").

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They also list the motor as a das-kit, who makes that motor and it is significantly different or better than the bafung or the other brands that are sourced on this bike? Is there an issue with the spokes? In all my years riding I have never broken a spoke.

Thanks.
 
Here is a discussion on 'Das-kit'. It might give a little more insight.....

electricbikereview.com

What is different about the Das-Kit geared hub motor?

I am wondering what is the difference between this motor and other geared hub motors. I've read that it has metal gears as opposed to nylon, but I have found little more information regarding this. If my motor stops functioning can I buy a das-kit somewhere else or replace the gears with those...
electricbikereview.com electricbikereview.com

It is also used on the Magnum brand of bikes.
 
Bitmugger said:
I have broken my 4th spoke now and have managed to avoid getting one of the spokes that require the disc to be removed but when it does happen and I'm in the field my thought is to put the spoke in backwards (in terms of orientation through the hub hole) and ride it home that way. Any thoughts on how that trick would work longer term until maybe I had a few spokes that were in backwards then remove the disc and correct them at once? You've got tons more spoke experience, how do you deal with the hard to change spokes that break on a ride? I'd basically like to do several quickie spoke changes in the field and then occasional full wheel disassembles when I've broken a few. So in the field I'll re-use the nipple for instance to save deflating the tire. I must say I am really annoyed NCM has this issue and never addresses it, it seems like a few experiments with lacing and spoke quality and/or chamfering the hub holes would reveal a solution they could implement, or at least have a spoke replacement policy and if you are struck with issues send you 5-10 spokes anytime you need them under the warranty period, my bike was 2 months old and NCM Canada told me to get lost but NCM Australia has a policy of no-fuss spoke replacements for bikes even over a year old.

We've discussed disc brakes before in another thread and like yourself I am totally over them, I'd take a rim brake any day and would love to try hydraulic rim brakes. Discs seem better in the wet for drying quicker and probably have an advantage in mud too but other than that I can't find anything to especially love about them, they work ok but don't seem like the next great thing and my son's disc got something on it or is out of true and although we tried lots of tutorials it required replacement where with a rim brake that pulsing would have signaled an out of true wheel and I'd have corrected it with tools (or been able to find the spot on the rim with debris). Total cost for disc and pads was under $30 so I will say components are cheap and that was with real Tektro ceramic pads and no-name discs but I could also replace the entire caliper assembly and pads for rim brakes for $30 (using cheapy parts), but the reality is nothing breaks on a rim brakes they just wear out and you need new pads.
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I've had several broken spokes and have managed to replace them without removing the wheel. I just had my 1st breakage that would normally require removing the wheel and disc to put the replacement in properly. I chose to put the replacement in backwards as suggested above. I'll have to see how that works out. Like Bitmugger, I intend to get the whole wheel relaced/retrued properly at the end of this riding season. In fact, I am considering a complete wheel rebuild to hopefully avoid this never-ending issue for next season. (PS I never considered temporarily reusing the nipple to avoid deflating the tire, pulling the rim tape aside, etc....so thanks for that tip)
 
Fred said:
I've had several broken spokes and have managed to replace them without removing the wheel. I just had my 1st breakage that would normally require removing the wheel and disc to put the replacement in properly. I chose to put the replacement in backwards as suggested above. I'll have to see how that works out. Like Bitmugger, I intend to get the whole wheel relaced/retrued properly at the end of this riding season. In fact, I am considering a complete wheel rebuild to hopefully avoid this never-ending issue for next season. (PS I never considered temporarily reusing the nipple to avoid deflating the tire, pulling the rim tape aside, etc....so thanks for that tip)
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If you´ve replaced as many as 4 spokes, you should be riding tires with thicker sidewalls & more psi. If
there has been damage to the spoke bores on the motor, thats bad, real bad. More spokes won´t fix
that; it´ll just get worse ´til you´ll need a new motor & whl.
 
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