I agree. I think that's what I meant. I guess. You're right, a regular bike won't allow yo to take off in wrong gear, .......
mid drive w/ throttle ?
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RoadWrinkle
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The kind of attitude that discriminates against an entire class of ebike users. Should they only be for fit riders in your estimation? Please enlighten us all.
That dumb comment was a response to me saying months ago that mid-drives don't need a throttle, which he interpreted as "shouldn't have one." That wasn't what I was saying (I still don't think mid-drives NEED throttle), and I mentioned later in the thread that I now have a BBS02 with one. To say that anybody with a throttle should buy a motorcycle is just silly: I pedal most of the time, and occasionally use the button as an assist in certain situations. I like having both, and much prefer it to my days on motorbikes when all rides required being in the car lane doing car speeds. Forget that jazz.
Same as that. Need a motor? Get a motorbike. Duh.
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Bosch also once said they wouldnt be selling windshield wiper blades at walmart.
Once yamaha and Shimano ramp up, then honda, kawi, suzuki jump in. Bosch will be proud about there wiper business. Being an old guy- i can deal with pedal only on st2. Im sure its where many "dont need a throttle" comments come from. I've come to like my jail broken st1 which gives me a throttle/ cruise control up to 22mph.
Inless your stuck in SoCal and have to drive
Up to 2 hours to ride a dirt bike. Any hotshoes that dont need a throttle to rip on their BICYCLE might consder a dirt bike. If you havent done it before- youll like it. If you have- even a throttled up pedal assist is quite a letdown.
I use excessive sarcasm. I love ebikes. I dont understand any of these guys who show a lot of inteligence and post woth obvious thought amd knowdledge........
Then, suggest that pedal assist bicycles are totally great, but add a throttle and its a different story.
"Once you ride a good pedal assodt bike- you will see no need for a throttle". Pretty much says it all- right there.
Then, suggest that pedal assist bicycles are totally great, but add a throttle and its a different story.
"Once you ride a good pedal assodt bike- you will see no need for a throttle". Pretty much says it all- right there.
Aurora Maven
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Yes, Evelo does indeed have throttles on their mid-drives. And if you have their NuVinci hub, you can shift to low gear at a standstill and then use the throttle to get yourself going. I do that all the time.
Steven coker
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Yes yes yes. I sent u a message rick I want power is like to be able to switch from pedal assist to throttle and back I know u could mash gears but there has to be a way around that. Looking forward to talking with u.
I'm delivering a bike to a friend that I finished, it has a throttle, a Bafang mid-drive and an ERT controller. Makes over 3000 watts and does 45mph, with proper ramping programmed in, it's as gentle as a kitten. Or as wild as a tiger!I wouldn't have an ebike without a throttle or with a 20mph limit! Most cars do well over the posted speed on any road. The limit is common sense. Ebikes should be the same. This bike won't be driven at top speed, but when a really big hill, a heavy load or an unsafe situation demands it, it will be able to deal with it, and have power to spare, just like your car. If Europeans want to build weak, throttle less, 20mph Ebikes, let Europeans ride them! Americans like POWER! Just look at the forum pages that support the Bosch drive, people are constantly trying to 'hack' them to get more power. Why not just build Ebikes that have power and a throttle in the first place?!
One area not discussed in support of throttles is for disabled people like me . I was a very keen cyclist before I got injured . Now I have a permanent disability and still want to cycle .
I have a very weak leg and despite using the pedal assist , there are times when I have to use the throttle. I am currently using a emotion neo 29er with a 250 w motor but is doesn't get me up steep bumps and hills when using my leg hard to trigger the torque assist ..because I just don't have the strength. So to the sarcastic anti throttle people about it being in some way cheating, I say watch out you never know what's coming down the road ..I didn't see my injury coming and now revel in my ability to still get out and ride . Btw I am thinking of upgrading to an Evelo delta ..more powerful mid drive bike with a throttle and some kind of new gear system .
I have a very weak leg and despite using the pedal assist , there are times when I have to use the throttle. I am currently using a emotion neo 29er with a 250 w motor but is doesn't get me up steep bumps and hills when using my leg hard to trigger the torque assist ..because I just don't have the strength. So to the sarcastic anti throttle people about it being in some way cheating, I say watch out you never know what's coming down the road ..I didn't see my injury coming and now revel in my ability to still get out and ride . Btw I am thinking of upgrading to an Evelo delta ..more powerful mid drive bike with a throttle and some kind of new gear system .
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This is a trend these days with the internet, people become narrow minded (at least in their words). If it does not suit them they feel compelled to shoot it down.
It is a sad trend of our century.
The only thing I regret about the Evelo Delta, is that they used the BBS02 instead of the new Bafang Max Ultra. As a result, you only have a basic cadence sensor, instead of the Fully integrated Torque / cadence and speed sensor on the Ultra.
If the Delta had the Bafang Max Ultra and the new NuVinci N380x, I would probably be getting one
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Cadence sensor only detect your pedaling speed, so I find them unnatural, giving a sense of all or nothing assist, and requiring to constantly change the level of assist.
Torque based sensing system (actually a combination of torque/speed/cadence), are proportional to your pedaling effort. As you apply pressure on the pedal, the assist multiplies your strength using the motor. The result is a very natural feeling of extra power. You modulate the amount of motor assist by the effort you apply on the pedals, which is a very natural and responsive feel.
If you don't really care about the pedaling feeling, and will often use the throttle, it may not be a big deal. If you enjoy the feel of pedaling your bike, being 4 times more powerful, but keeping the same sensation of controlling the power with your effort, then the torque sensor based system makes a big difference (in my opinion).
The best for that is really to test different bikes with the two different systems. All the bikes using integrated system like Bosch or Brose use an integrated combination of Torque / speed / cadence. Other bikes with kits like the BBS01 or BBS02 or BBSHD, or with rear wheel direct hub motor, usually use only a cadence sensor.
Try both making sure to ask which system is used, and see if that is a big issue for you.
Torque based sensing system (actually a combination of torque/speed/cadence), are proportional to your pedaling effort. As you apply pressure on the pedal, the assist multiplies your strength using the motor. The result is a very natural feeling of extra power. You modulate the amount of motor assist by the effort you apply on the pedals, which is a very natural and responsive feel.
If you don't really care about the pedaling feeling, and will often use the throttle, it may not be a big deal. If you enjoy the feel of pedaling your bike, being 4 times more powerful, but keeping the same sensation of controlling the power with your effort, then the torque sensor based system makes a big difference (in my opinion).
The best for that is really to test different bikes with the two different systems. All the bikes using integrated system like Bosch or Brose use an integrated combination of Torque / speed / cadence. Other bikes with kits like the BBS01 or BBS02 or BBSHD, or with rear wheel direct hub motor, usually use only a cadence sensor.
Try both making sure to ask which system is used, and see if that is a big issue for you.
Dave Hutson
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I think that whatever you prefer in your bicycle controls at least to me is your own personal preference and business as is mine. why people feel the need to inflict their idea of what is proper hardware largely depends on what they happen to be riding. Here is something that works, obey the rules of the trail, make courtesy to pedestrians walking, running, older folks, children etc. etc. your top priority if you're unable to do that you should stay home and annoy the people who love you, they are use to you and your childish behavior.
tomjasz
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Ridiculously narrow. Thankfully here in the USA that narrow view has no standing other than trolling a forum.
Jack Laurie
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One situation not mentioned is if trail riding and coming to an iffy up hill segment that you maturely/wisely decide to walk up or over. The throttle used as a walk function can be really handy.
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