Interesting Brose, Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano Comparison

Interesting comparison FlatSix indeed. I've read the PW-X2 section, and the reviewer's conclusions agree -- to great extent -- with my observation. Even so, real life experience might differ. For instance, the Automatic Support mode of the motor -- highly acclaimed by the reviewer -- appears useless to me: It is heavy on the battery use, provides far too much of support, and it is not natural at all. When uphill, the motor controlled by AUTO just begs to downshift (given the inclination sensor, the motor should just get more juice automatically but it doesn't). On the other hand, the motor appears to be very powerful (which is also the outcome of a proper gearing of the e-MTB). To summarise: Each reviewer is biased by their own feeling; and they have no time for a multiple-month riding to draw real life conclusions.

It might be interesting how the Specialized 1.2s motor (the one with peak power and torque similar to the PW-X2) behaves on my Vado 5.0 (which is not in the slightest sense an e-MTB) on mountain road ride. While a PW-X2 equipped e-MTB starts like rocket uphill just after a press on the pedals and can conquer dramatic inclines quite easily, the Vado requires hard work of the rider even in full Turbo mode and in the granny gear under the same conditions. It is because of the gearing (in the first place) but also because of different geometry. My e-MTB has the lowest gearing of 36-51 (0.70) while the Vado is 48-46 (1.04 gear ratio). It causes dramatic difference on steep inclines even if both motors are similar to each other. Add to it the Zero Cadence in Yamaha/Giant where you can start uphill ride just from standstill; the Zero Cadence feature was something the eMTB reviewer described with mixed feelings...
 
Interesting video comparing 2021 emtb motors.


Meaningless.


Instead of repeating that the test is "not scientific" he should have just put an HR monitor to have an idea on rider output. He repeats Shimano runs and there is a 3sec difference yet he just does the other motors' runs once.

He needed several simple things:

1. Ride the bikes unassisted(since they are different bikes to begin with) to have an idea on how much difference the bicycle itself without the motor makes.

2. Ride the bikes at max assist but several runs(3+) on each one.

3. Use the motor's gauges for rider power/cadence or better yet use a third party, reliable power meter. Without seeing rider power this so called test is none sense.


I don't know, these youtubers should ask around before they put a test like this together.
 
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Back on topic... here is a more detailed comparison test from eMTB Magazine. ;)

Nice thank you. Far more legitimate than heavy breather youtube guy fishing for clicks. In addition to that they reviewed other major players like Fazua,TQ, and the Specialized SL.
 
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Instead of repeating that the test is "not scientific" he should have just put an HR monitor instead to have an idea on rider output. He repeats Shimano runs and there is a 3sec difference still he just does the other motors once.
I wonder @Johnny if all the bikes in the Rob's test were identically geared. Say, one of the bikes might have a 32T chain-ring while the other could be a 36T one. Just a thought.
 
Given that this group of EMTB motors also find their way into some commuter/road ebikes, I’m curious if, for instance, theres a difference in the CX tuning or internal setup for each use or is it just the manufacturer’s gearing differences?
 
Given that this group of EMTB motors also find their way into some commuter/road ebikes, I’m curious if, for instance, theres a difference in the CX tuning or internal setup for each use or is it just the manufacturer’s gearing differences?
You might be interested to learn the Specialized 1.3 motor (Brose S Alu) used on Vado/Como 5.0 was used on Specialized Turbo Levo before the latter was upgraded with the 2.1 (Brose S Mag).
 
Back on topic... here is a more detailed comparison test from eMTB Magazine. ;)

Is this a spec sheet comparison, or all measured? those torque number look like PR material. if one was measuring they would not be quoting a single number.
 
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