Hydra V2

[Cuz Vinny]

I like the bigger battery , the fox package is pricey af without the fox package I wonder how the dropper and such will be or if it will be throw away stuff . Wonder what frame break for upcoming more advanced features means

I still like the looks of the V1 frame. Frame break would be for a belt drive option I’m assuming.

 

[Foxhound68]

I still like the looks of the V1 frame. Frame break would be for a belt drive option I’m assuming.

What is the frame break thing is this something I can see visually I have no idea what that means , and yes I prefer the look of the v1 but I do like big batteries lol ! Also prefer the PNW dropper/bars/grips and stuff they changed to in house (unless you buy the 11k one with fox stuff)

 

[Cuz Vinny]

Fully loaded bike is 9k before any discount and then you have to add shipping. That’s pretty steep. If I was going to buy one I’d buy a base supercharged bike and upgrade as funds allowed.

I’m assuming Watt Wagons custom parts means what’s available at the time your bike is being built. WW has always been about customization so I’m hoping that continues with this bike.

 

[Foxhound68]

Fully loaded bike is 9k before any discount and then you have to add shipping. That’s pretty steep. If I was going to buy one I’d buy a base supercharged bike and upgrade as funds allowed.

I’m assuming Watt Wagons custom parts means what’s available at the time your bike is being built. WW has always been about customization so I’m hoping that continues with this bike.

Hopefully it isn't they have made there own grips/handlebars/dropper post/stem to save costs

 

[Flannel Guy]

One change I'd like to see if it is possible is more ground clearance. It's really the only negative thing about my Hydra, otherwise close to perfection for my needs. Maybe when I retire and have more ride time, a chonky beast might allow for longer rides.

 

[Foxhound68]

One change I'd like to see if it is possible is more ground clearance. It's really the only negative thing about my Hydra, otherwise close to perfection for my needs. Maybe when I retire and have more ride time, a chonky beast might allow for longer rides.

Are you talking pedal clearance ? If so put shorter crank arms on your hydra !

 

[Foxhound68]

Fully loaded bike is 9k before any discount and then you have to add shipping. That’s pretty steep. If I was going to buy one I’d buy a base supercharged bike and upgrade as funds allowed.

I’m assuming Watt Wagons custom parts means what’s available at the time your bike is being built. WW has always been about customization so I’m hoping that continues with this bike.

Asked WW they said they aren't committed to a brand but a spec so it isn't there own parts but what they have available like you said !

 

[Flannel Guy]

Are you talking pedal clearance ? If so put shorter crank arms on your hydra !

I'm talking about clearance to bottom of motor. Pedal strike I can avoid by timing pedal stroke vs the terrain I see. But any rock wall crossing or downed tree, I usually have to stop to not bang up the motor.

 

[rtp]

I may be wrong I think it's a single low pivot triangle, it is solid at the rear axle. Similar to R&M mountain bike with different shock mounting point.

It is - it's in the product page bullet list.

• Updated geometry and comfort
• Stronger, more balanced frame developed by Watt Wagons
• Larger battery with higher peak current
• Stronger unibody rear triangle
• Default 29er wheels
• Frame break for upcoming more advanced features!

Guessing it's their way of trying to remove the 'Dengfu issues' from the equation, although time will tell if it solves anything (i.e. with another likely China provider), and if it has any growing pains and frame iterations.
Luna seemed to have mixed overall reviews on 'their' Apex frame regarding geometry and eventually dropped it, although no personal knowledge of any of them breaking.

The frame break could be cool, as someone said for a belt drive once tensioners are worked out.
I'm curious to see the final real-world weight on it, but the bullet list itself is good, and while a handful will probably want a smaller battery option, I bet the majority would prefer more riding time for a few lbs more.

 

[Foxhound68]

It is - it's in the product page bullet list.

• Updated geometry and comfort
• Stronger, more balanced frame developed by Watt Wagons
• Larger battery with higher peak current
• Stronger unibody rear triangle
• Default 29er wheels
• Frame break for upcoming more advanced features!

Guessing it's their way of trying to remove the 'Dengfu issues' from the equation, although time will tell if it solves anything (i.e. with another likely China provider), and if it has any growing pains and frame iterations.
Luna seemed to have mixed overall reviews on 'their' Apex frame regarding geometry and eventually dropped it, although no personal knowledge of any of them breaking.

The frame break could be cool, as someone said for a belt drive once tensioners are worked out.
I'm curious to see the final real-world weight on it, but the bullet list itself is good, and while a handful will probably want a smaller battery option, I bet the majority would prefer more riding time for a few lbs more.

The frame is chinese made , WW said to me 90% of CF bike frames are chinese and that it's made in the same place as some of the major brands . But wouldn't specify which ones or where exactly.

 

[Deacon Blues]

Our of curiosity I weighed my Hydra (small) today. It weighed 66.6 pounds. To only thing added to the bike was plastic fenders
Strangely, my UC Pro (medium) weighed exactly the same weight.

 

[Cuz Vinny]

The V2 Hydra will be heavier than the V1 mostly because of the larger battery. Interestingly it’s only offered in a 29er version at launch with no mention (or at least I didn’t see it) of a fat tire version being offered later on.

 

[Foxhound68]

Our of curiosity I weighed my Hydra (small) today. It weighed 66.6 pounds. To only thing added to the bike was plastic fenders
Strangely, my UC Pro (medium) weighed exactly the same weight.

My large hydra battery in weighs 71 pounds so I imagine this one in large will be like 75 or more since the frame is also chunkier !

 

[Cuz Vinny]

My large hydra battery in weighs 71 pounds so I imagine this one in large will be like 75 or more since the frame is also chunkier !

17ah vs 20AH, I’m thinking 80 - 85 lbs.

 

[Foxhound68]

17ah vs 20AH, I’m thinking 80 - 85 lbs.

Yeah seems more likely , that's a heavy bike , commuter levels !

 

[greeno]

If the V1 version is 70+ lbs this one I would think have to weigh in more.
If everything being equal the battery is larger using the 21700 cells and having a 20ahr rating plus now it looks like their supporting a 52v system where I think before they were supplying the 48v set-up. Groups of 14 instead of 13 in series. Probably 5ahr rated cells.
Says their using 29" wheels as opposed to the 27.5" on the first model.

Frame break, we all know what's coming for that little nugget.

But I agree 68lbs doesn't sound right.

Heck my ride is coming it at 66lbs ready to go with my big 17lb battery and a 29'r on the front.
Using my smaller, everyday riding battery I shave off 6 more lbs off of that.
Thats with skid plate too.

 

[Foxhound68]

If the V1 version is 70+ lbs this one I would think have to weigh in more.
If everything being equal the battery is larger using the 21700 cells and having a 20ahr rating plus now it looks like their supporting a 52v system where I think before they were supplying the 48v set-up. Groups of 14 instead of 13 in series. Probably 5ahr rated cells.
Says their using 29" wheels as opposed to the 27.5" on the first model.

Frame break, we all know what's coming for that little nugget.

But I agree 68lbs doesn't sound right.

Heck my ride is coming it at 66lbs ready to go with my big 17lb battery and a 29'r on the front.
Using my smaller, everyday riding battery I shave off 6 more lbs off of that.
Thats with skid plate too.

Would the frame break be for belt drive ?

 

[Cuz Vinny]

Would the frame break be for belt drive ?

Yes Sir! It will be interesting to see if they can get a belt drive and IGH to work with all that power. Might be limited to the lower power motor.

 

[scrambler]

Yes Sir! It will be interesting to see if they can get a belt drive and IGH to work with all that power. Might be limited to the lower power motor.

It is all about coming up with a Tensioner that can take the large slack caused by the geometry of the frame and the suspension...

 

[Cuz Vinny]

Dam, now this has me thinking. Base supercharged bike, belt drive, IGH, 29X3.0 gravel tires on Nextie carbon wheels, and drop handlebars. I need an intervention.