Hill climber

If one rides reasonably, I agree. The problem is when a non-conforming bike is in an accident. And then there is an investigation. IMHO one HP of assist should be enough and it is the limit in California. Much over 20 mph will cause broken bones.
 
As much as owners of non compliant electric motor bikes can't understand why anyone cares what they ride, they can never seem to understand what owners of legal ebikes fear losing. I've seen what a ban looks like, riders suddenly losing access to paths and trails they've ridden for years. The amount of money, time and devotion spent on this ebike lifestyle suddenly ripped away. Years of work to try and regain that access with no guarantee of success. The coattails aren't strong enough to drag all the other non compliant bikes along for the ride. Something's got to give.

The sky isn't falling? Tell that to the 65 year old owner of a $4k gravel ebike that just lost access to the only paths they have. Their retirement gift to themselves to stay or get fit. A chance for outdoor activities. Gone.

I commuted for years on a bike, then ebike. Thousands of miles every year. My job today doesn't allow me the opportunity to commute, but I get thousands of miles in on other commuting, exploring, leisure and fitness rides. All riding has value to the rider and no one wants to lose that valuable asset. It could be replacing car or motorcycle trips; it might just be replacing couch potato time, but it has value and it contributes to a greater good.

I have ridden motorcycles and bikes since the 60's. I am very much an advocate for all of the above. My 32 year old Harley dresser gets 50 mpg, even that is a good car replacement. With all of the electric mopeds and scooters being sold, that do not meet legal standards for USDOT or ebike regs, something is going to give. This year, next year, five years? There's a lot to lose.
 
A perfect example of why ebikes get a bad rap. A "bike" cruising at over 20 mph? I'm sure analog bikers don't view someone going up a hill at 15 mph as riding a bike...
The packs of analog riders doing 20 - 30 mph on the same roads lm riding also giving bicyclists a bad rap? Just checking. If analog riders don't like it or drivers miscalculate their really high speed moves, they are just going to have to change , over time drivers will adjust as more of us take to the roads. Don't blame the equipment, share the road.
 
Back to authors original question about which bike to buy?. Best thing you can do is test ride a few different bikes. Try middrives in 65-90nm range and see what you think.

For commuter max speed on flat and climbing is important but also is low maintenance which is where belt drives in geared hubs shine. Touring bikes comfort is for more important than max power as you will rarely use if want to go any distance.

If you aren't interested in the exercise and want to get from A to B as quickly as possible electric motorbike or scooter.
 
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