Helmet Safety Protection Ratings

[Chargeride]

Just say you were wearing this

 

[CanNik]

Useless and pointless.

In the UK bikes are restricted to 25 kph and rightly so, are they in the US, and here is the point, I would not ride and the law prohibits any motorbike user no matter how small the engine to ride without a proper motorcycle helmet, yet you have cocky idiot cyclists doing 30-40+ with a cycle helmet, good luck

 

[DaveMatthews]

I went for a MIPS Smith Engage after my crash last September...

 

[Stefan Mikes]

yet you have cocky idiot cyclists doing 30-40+ with a cycle helmet, good luck

You see, road or gravel cyclists ride 35 or even 50 km/h and they wear cycle helmets, no issue. The UK law is the only one in Europe requiring the riders of S-Pedelecs to wear motorcycle helmets (it is "a helmet" elsewhere). As for myself, my most dangerous crash happened on a lightweight e-bike at 30 km/h on asphalt. The Echelon II got internally smashed, and I got a mild concussion but survived the crash.

 

[Base]

L1e requires a NTA 8776 or Moped/motorcycle helmet in the EU and UK

 

[Stefan Mikes]

L1e requires a NTA 8776 or Moped/motorcycle helmet in the EU and UK

The technical requirements of the L1e-B (a two-wheeled moped) are regulated by the European law 168/2013. That law limits the maximum speed of that vehicle type to 45 km/h, the maximum motor power is limited to 4 000 W (it is exactly as written in the law), self-propelling (throttle) is allowed. The law discusses Type-Rating and EU Certificate of Compliance.

However, the same law -- while meticulously defining the vehicle and making electric and ICE mopeds equal -- leaves the EU Member States the decision if and how the moped can be used in a given country. The word "helmet" is never mentioned in the law. If -- for instance -- a specific EU country bans the L1e-B, it is the sovereign decision of the member state.

Examples:

• The UK riders (based on the law before Brexit) must wear a motorcycle helmet
• The riders in the Netherlands have to wear an NTA 8776 helmet. NTA 8776 is a purely Dutch law, not a European law (if it were, it would be an EN for that)
• The L1e-B riders must wear "a helmet" by the Poland's law
• The riders in Denmark can ride L1e-B on bike paths. It is disallowed in any other EU country.

You see, Base, I was one of the two first owners of L1e-B e-bikes in Poland in 2019. I made "a PhD" on the moped laws to be able to register and insure my 2017 Vado 5.0 45 km/h, and place a number plate for it. I had two encounters with the Police, who at first wanted to punish me for not riding the bike path. The policemen/women were inspecting any detail of my "moped" to find a catch, like, "is your headlight certified?" or "how do you indicate a turn?" to no avail. I can assure you my regular cycling helmet was OK under the Polish law. (It was the Police to tell me there were only two registered electric L1e-Bs in Poland in March 2021: they checked the database).

Three year into the ownership my original Vado's frame broke. I had to officially scrap it and deregister the e-moped.

Now, please tell me what electric L1e-B you owned and share some expertise on your own use.

My L1e-B on 25 November 2019.

 

[Chargeride]

I didnt wear a helmet till I was in my 30s, there were those thin strip helmets and only old men and gadget freaks wore them.
I cycled everywhere, mountain descents, racing, none of us young guys wore helmets.
Everyone I know through clubs or friends of friends have died by being run over by a vehicle.
I appreciate that ignores all the times they might have been saved by a helmet.
Cars are so heavy now, EVs even heavier again, you dont stand a chance, if one goes over you.
The new VW Golf called the ID3 is twice the weight of the original

 

[Chargeride]

The technical requirements of the L1e-B (a two-wheeled moped) are regulated by the European law 168/2013. That law limits the maximum speed of that vehicle type to 45 km/h, the maximum motor power is limited to 4 000 W (it is exactly as written in the law), self-propelling (throttle) is allowed. The law discusses Type-Rating and EU Certificate of Compliance.

However, the same law -- while meticulously defining the vehicle and making electric and ICE mopeds equal -- leaves the EU Member States the decision if and how the moped can be used in a given country. The word "helmet" is never mentioned in the law. If -- for instance -- a specific EU country bans the L1e-B, it is the sovereign decision of the member state.

Examples:

• The UK riders (based on the law before Brexit) must wear a motorcycle helmet
• The riders in the Netherlands have to wear an NTA 8776 helmet. NTA 8776 is a purely Dutch law, not a European law (if it were, it would be an EN for that)
• The L1e-B riders must wear "a helmet" by the Poland's law
• The riders in Denmark can ride L1e-B on bike paths. It is disallowed in any other EU country.

You see, Base, I was one of the two first owners of L1e-B e-bikes in Poland in 2019. I made "a PhD" on the moped laws to be able to register and insure my 2017 Vado 5.0 45 km/h, and place a number plate for it. I had two encounters with the Police, who at first wanted to punish me for not riding the bike path. The policemen/women were inspecting any detail of my "moped" to find a catch, like, "is your headlight certified?" or "how do you indicate a turn?" to no avail. I can assure you my regular cycling helmet was OK under the Polish law. (It was the Police to tell me there were only two registered electric L1e-Bs in Poland in March 2021: they checked the database).

Three year into the ownership my original Vado's frame broke. I had to officially scrap it and deregister the e-moped.

Now, please tell me what electric L1e-B you owned and share some expertise on your own use.

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My L1e-B on 25 November 2019.

Can you get done for speeding by a camera with that reg?

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Can you get done for speeding by a camera with that reg?

Yes, absolutely. The rules are exactly the same as for a Vespa (for instance). Only no moped has a number plate in the front. Some interesting facts about an electric L1e-B are:

• The speedometer must be operable at all times, and the speed figure must be displayed on any on several data screens. The display is type-rated!
• In case the display fails for any reason, the assistance will stop. It was notorious for early BLOKS displays that used to hang up frequently (BLOKS was replaced with a new TCD-w(s) system by Specialized free of charge together with many expensive goodies such as a Supernova 99 Pro headlight).
• The wheel circumference is a read-only system value so no-one can fiddle with that parameter. The latest and last firmware update has set the wheel circumference for 700x51mm tyres. The certified tyre is Specialized Electrak 2.0 Armadillo w/Gripton, 700x51 mm (exactly 2.0" tyres).

Currently, Specialized has introduced a brand new L1e-B by name Turbo Vado S IGH.