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Some of this is very hard to understand because Climate change is a lie for the most part.... When you cant be honest then you will never come to terms with actual climate change...

To think that We/ you are making an impact on what God set forth? As Biden would say CMON MAN!!! Get past your egos. This planet only has so much time before God destroys it or if we leave the current administration in power to long it will speed up the process. Oh here we go again with the Ego stuff. Its wealth redistribution is all it is..
 
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Some of this is very hard to understand because Climate change is a lie for the most part.... When you cant be honest then you will never come to terms with actual climate change...
That is not an opinion shared by climate scientists. Nor me. Number of extreme rain wind events, devastating floods, plus number of 1 year droughts much higher than 20 years ago. Look at historical pictures of glaciers (shrinking) and arctic ice cap (shrinking). Amount of atmospheric CO2 much higher now than that found frozen in bubbles in 10000 year old glacier ice. Watch PBS Nova occasionally instead of viewing Facebook (purveyor of lies).
 
Hate to tell you this.. They have been crying that the oceans will rise or drop or the Polar ice caps will rise or melt or the sea lions will dies or grow for the last 100 years or so... None has really happened.. Pretty sure the ice caps was supposed to be gone by now.. or the planet was to increase in heat (which it does during its heating cycle ) but also it was to cool (which it will now that we are entering a cooling cycle)... Give it whatever name you want this year.. El nino El Nina or global warming or maybe its climate change... Every few years they change the name and definition.
Only thing consistent with them is change... and being wrong.

Its fear... They put fear in your heart and mind... Just like they have controlled the world over this Covid.. I agree the virus can hurt the old and feeble but it does not warrant this kind of lock down nor this kind of experimental vaccine.

Rise above the noise.. And remember most of the guys that predicted the earth is dying have never seen any of there predictions to come true (most anyways).. Earth isnt ending..

 
That is not an opinion shared by climate scientists. Nor me. Number of extreme rain wind events, devastating floods, plus number of 1 year droughts much higher than 20 years ago. Look at historical pictures of glaciers (shrinking) and arctic ice cap (shrinking). Amount of atmospheric CO2 much higher now than that found frozen in bubbles in 10000 year old glacier ice. Watch PBS Nova occasionally instead of viewing Facebook (purveyor of lies).
First of all the ice mass of the south pole is growing.
That is a fact.

Regarding the melting of the glaciers and the north pole, most people including scientists if they don't lie on purpose falsely believe that the acelleration of the shrinkage of a glacier actually means that that the ice loss accelerates.
But this is not the case.
Just take an ice cube of the size of a car for example and let it melt.
At the beginning it will shrink very slowely but as smaller as the ice gets the faster it shrinks.
But if you measure the amount of water per hour, it is pretty consistant.

Imagine a basketball shape and size of ice. You scratch out one tablespoon of ice an hour.
It will shrink very slowely.
Now take a tennis ball or a baseball and do the same.
It will shrink much faster.
But the key is, the amount of ice that both the ice baseball and ice basketball lose per hour is actually the same.

And if you take the rising sea level for example, the sea has risen 20 centimeters a year for hundreds of years. It is constant.
If there were something happening then there would have to be an increase in the rise. But the graph is one straight line.
And we know that for a fact because the sea level measurements have been documented back to the romans. Many measuring stones are still there today.

And by the way, there is actualy a Norwegian physics nobel price scientist with the name if Ian Giaever who gave a presentation in which he dismantels the whole lie.
There is also a video of the founder of Greenpeace who exposes all the lies.
And there is even a climate scientists who lives on a small island where a thermometer exists that is connected to the global temperature measuring infrastructure that he has access to. He noticed that the readings of his own data were manipulated.
 
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Hate to tell you this.. They have been crying that the oceans will rise or drop or the Polar ice caps will rise or melt or the sea lions will dies or grow for the last 100 years or so... .
I've read newspapers from the 1920's on microfiche. Have you? Didn't see any of this. I've read Scientific American from 1910-20. Have you? Didn't see any of this. Lots of ink on the new airplane technology. I was thinking of building a glider in college, before all the yuppies started doing it. I did my elementary school work out of a neighbor's 1928 Encylopedia Britannica which I read in the slow summer vacations. My grandfather in Boone Cty WV had a copy of 1922 Encyclopedia Britannica which was flood damaged but I read what I could during slow vacation days while Mother yakked about relatives. I didn't see any of this.
Maybe all the scientists & CNN newspeople snuck into the libraries and replaced all the microfiche papers & magazines with sanitized versions? Maybe they took the time machine back & changed out the encyclopedias I read 1957-1962? Laughing emoticon 1F61C if I knew how to do it. Read 1984 by George Orwell!
 
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Were sure never going to solve anything if the attitude is that there's nothing that can be done as it's ordained by the mythical deities.
 
First of all the ice mass of the south pole is growing.
That is a fact.

Regarding the melting of the glaciers and the north pole, most people including scientists if they don't lie on purpose falsely believe that the acelleration of the shrinkage of a glacier actually means that that the ice loss accelerates.
But this is not the case.
Just take an ice cube of the size of a car for example and let it melt.
At the beginning it will shrink very slowely but as smaller as the ice gets the faster it shrinks.
But if you measure the amount of water per hour, it is pretty consistant.

Imagine a basketball shape and size of ice. You scratch out one tablespoon of ice an hour.
It will shrink very slowely.
Now take a tennis ball or a baseball and do the same.
It will shrink much faster.
But the key is, the amount of ice that both the ice baseball and ice basketball lose per hour is actually the same.

And by the way, there is actualy a Norwegian physics nobel price scientist with the name if Ian Giaever who gave a presentation in which he dismantels the whole lie.
There is also a video of the founder of Greenpeace who exposes all the lies.
And there is even a climate scientists who lives on a small island where a thermometer exists that is connected to the global temperature measuring infrastructure that he has access to. He noticed that the readings of his own data were manipulated.
It’s a FACT the great ice sheets in the Antarctic, you know, the ones holding back the huge glaciers are decaying at a great rate. More cherry-picking to support a political position.
 
“the Antarctic sea ice reached record levels, scientists floated several hypotheses, including possible changes in the ozone hole over Antarctica, or increased amounts of fresh water—which freezes more easily—on the surface of the ocean around Antarctica. At the same time, they said it’s important to remember the big differences between the poles. Assessing sea ice dynamics at opposite ends of the Earth is not an apples-to-apples proposition.”
 
I’m bothered when people call out scientists for lying. What I am for is Congress calling the the lying fossil fuel companies on the carpet for systemically lying through the many years about the imminent threat of global warning even while their scientists were sounding the alarm in the 80s internally. And now we have the self interested Joe Manchin clogging any progress
 
“the Antarctic sea ice reached record levels, scientists floated several hypotheses, including possible changes in the ozone hole over Antarctica, or increased amounts of fresh water—which freezes more easily—on the surface of the ocean around Antarctica. At the same time, they said it’s important to remember the big differences between the poles. Assessing sea ice dynamics at opposite ends of the Earth is not an apples-to-apples proposition.”

Nature climate and atmospheric science journal, Link


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(2012) University of Stockholm - IPCC-funded study.

Again, zero evidence of "hockey sticks", "tipping points" or "climate apocalypse".

In fact, showing we are in a completely normal and natural cycle:

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(2012) University of Stockholm - IPCC-funded study.
Again, zero evidence of "hockey sticks", "tipping points" or "climate apocalypse".
In fact, showing we are in a completely normal and natural cycle:
2012 was 9 years ago. Electricity power plants started scrubbing the sulfer-dioxide out of the stacks shortly before then. Sulfer dioxide in the atmosphere reflects sunlight, and may have held down global warming until it was reduced. Scrubbers were avoided mostly by laying off most of the Kentucky West Virginia Indiana & Illinois coal miners, and opening new surface mines in the low-sulfer belt of Wyoming. Read about the massive sourcing dislocation in the histories of rail giants UP, BN, & CNW. The recent conversion of most North American plants from coal to natural gas has further reduced the sulfur dioxide emmisions, since natural gas contains no sulphur.
Some scientist in India did a study on sulfer dioxide reduction in the stratosphere. Not the scientists that made the news for making up their data . Acid rain caused damage to paint on cars & stressed pond life, was the motivation quoted then to support the sulfer dioxide reduction laws.
 
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2012 was 19 years ago. Electricity power plants started scrubbing the sulfer-dioxide out of the stacks shortly before then. Sulfer dioxide in the atmosphere reflects sunlight, and may have held down global warming until it was reduced. Some scientist in India did a study on this; not the ones that made up their data that made the news. Acid rain caused damage to paint on cars & stressed pond life, was the motivation quoted then to support the scrubber installation laws.

indianajo so then global warming is solved, and we can spend that $8 billion per year on cancer. Or give it back to you, the taxpayer.

Instead of flying 200-plus corporate jets to CO-26 in Sweden for caviar and Greta, generating over 12 million lbs. of CO2.
 
Some scientist in India did a study on sulfer dioxide reduction in the stratosphere. Not the scientists that made the news for making up their data .
The 2 scientists (and their teams) most famous, prolific, cited, and responsible for the global warming panic, Michael Mann and Phil Jones, who not only deleted data that didn't fit their narrative, but clandestinely replaced it with other data and mislabeled it, in order to present a misleading picture that would go into the World Meteorological Organization and then IPCC report
 
What I am for is Congress calling the the lying fossil fuel companies on the carpet for systemically lying through the many years about the imminent threat of global warning
Thanks for the evidence-free posting! Do you have evidence of the companies lying about it, which you assert?
 
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"David Eyton, BP Group Vice President, Research & Technology, is a member of the Muir Russell panel. Only one submission (mine) criticized his presence on the Muir Russell panel. There was total radio silence from climate scientists. Why was this perpetually outraged community so silent? More on this later.


Eyton’s bio is particularly interesting in the present circumstances.


David joined BP in 1982 from Cambridge University with an Engineering degree. During his early career, he held a number of Petroleum Engineering, Commercial and Business Management positions. In 1996, he was named General Manager of BP’s North West Shelf interest in Australia. David later managed Wytch Farm in the UK and then BP’s Gas Businesses in Trinidad. In September 2001, he became Lord John Browne’s Executive Assistant in the company’s London headquarters. Following that assignment, David was Vice President of Deepwater Developments in the Gulf of Mexico and prior to his current role was BP’s Exploration and Production Group Vice President for Technology.

That’s right — Vice President, Deepwater Developments Gulf of Mexico. BP’s Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations are what make it the largest oil producer in the United States. A big and important job, to say the least. So what’s our David doing making little analyses of CRU emails for the Muir Russell inquiry? See minutes here. Definitely a dig-here.


It’s interesting to re-examine Eyton’s prior publications both in the context of the BP well blow out and the Muir Rusell inquiry.


In 2005, Eyton published The journey to deepwater operatorship, which I’ve placed online here. Eyton’s reflections show a clear awareness of the new and difficult technical problems of operating in the deep and ultra-deep:


Deepwater GoM may be one of the most prolific new basins in the world, but it is still a frontier province. … And in addition, we have to cope with extreme natural environments, the “ultra-deep” in terms of both reservoir and water depths, complex seabed geotechnics and severe metocean conditions in the form of both loop currents and hurricanes.
These are new challenges for the industry, and challenges which are being addressed at an ever-increasing pace. We find ourselves designing floating systems for 10 000 ft of water depth before the lessons of working in 6000 ft have been fully identified. And these new challenges are not just depth-related. Failure mechanisms, such as fatigue, driven by vortex-induced vibration (VIV) and vessel motion, are time-dependent and may take years to become apparent. The same is true of equipment reliability. We know the premium associated with hardware reliability is high, but at this stage, operators still have a limited failure database for forecasting the required levels of intervention in ever-deeper and more remote environments.

Eyton counselled:


In particular, be rigorous in front end loading, and very clear about the scale and nature of the “size of the step” you are seeking to take. Recognize that what may initially appear to be an incremental change can often turn out to be much more profound. Develop multiple contingency plans. And be prepared to work closely with suppliers to drive up reliability and reduce risk.

Eyton’s presentation is noted in a near-contemporary July 2005 conference. The paragraph immediately following Eyton’s presentation described a 1628 design failure arising from the left hand not reconciling with the right hand:


The Swedish warship Vasa, with a fast keel and the finest guns, suffered from design changes that caused the ship to sink within 1 nautical mile of the start of her maiden voyage in 1628. Last-minute design modifications ordered by the king without consulting expert partners caused the costly vessel to go under. Panel Moderator Sandeep Khurana, Senior Specialist with J.P. Kenny Inc., invited operators and contractors to examine oil and gas industry collaboration through lenses of the same color. Deepwater fields are becoming more complex and challenging, and average field size is falling slightly, so there is a real need for innovation in contracting to bring projects through to success. “Investments are high and failure is not an option, so how do we collaborate?” asked Khurana. “Is a commercial arrangement the path to perfect collaboration? Are there inherent conflicts in the way we perceive our roles and rewards? How do operator/contractor objectives mesh?”

Questions that seem timely when BP, Transocean and Haliburton try to blame the other. The author of this analogy, Don Vardeman,
Kerr-McGee Vice President Marine Engineering, pointed out that the same barriers to collaboration on large project developments exist today as they did in 1628, listed these impediments to successful collaboration:


• Imitation rather than real understanding of ideas.
• Goal confusion.
• Obsession with speed.
• Failure to incorporate test feedback.
• Communication barriers.
• Poor organizational memory or knowledge transfer.
• Meddling by top management.

In 2008, as noted above, Eyton was appointed Group Vice President, Research & Technology.


He attended the first meeting of the Muir Russell inquiry on Feb 4, 2010.


A few days later (Feb 9, 2010), he attended the Carbon Mitigation Initiative Ninth Annual Meeting Conference at Princeton – a BP sponsored program – where he presented the BP Review of 2009. Michael Oppenheimer, who appeared opposite me in my CNN appearance on Campbell Brown, is shown as a key figure in the Initiative. A variety of BP executives attended the conference; also in attendance were Daniel Schrag, Director of the Center for the Environment, Harvard University, Steven Hamburg, Chief Scientist, Environmental Defense Fund and a number of other notables.


Due to this prior commitment, Eyton missed the press conference unveiling the Muir Russell inquiry on Feb 11. His attendance at the Muir Russell meeting of Feb 25 is noted, together with the item that UEA had not received money from BP in recent years (though they had contributed generously to Geoffrey Boulton’s Royal Society of Edinburgh, which was conducting the inquiry).


At the March 20 meeting, Eyton was said to have presented an analysis of emails – to be published on completion – I don’t know how someone with as big a job as Eyton would be able to do the sort of thorough job of analyzing the emails that he would expect of an engineer for a BP offshore exploration rig. Eyton attended the April 1 Muir Russell telecon meeting, at which a David Walker materializes as a staffer for the first time (joining Mike Granatt of Luther Pendragon communications and William Hardie of Roy Soc Ediburgh).


On April 19, Eyton was scheduled to deliver a speech in Stanford on governance but was grounded by the Iceland ash. The speech is online here.


Eyton’s speech on governance distilled some important lessons from BP’s operations that Muir Russell (and Eyton) have flouted in their conduct of the Muir Russell inquiry. Eyton discussed the problems of resolving disputes in a community concluding that: unless citizens feel some kind of ownership in the project, you are not going to be successful.


In some instances, the challenges are so great that we form independent advisory committees, also known as ‘blue ribbon’ panels.
For example, in Azerbaijan, we had to build a pipeline from Baku to Tbilisi through Georgia and Turkey at a time when there were quite a few tensions there. We listened to and learned from a wide range of international, national and local stakeholders. The independent panel, under Jan Leschly’s chairmanship, advised us on the things that might not naturally occur to us, including the effects on the local community and political, economic and social conditions. We also sought advice from scientists who had a thorough understanding of that country’s geology. Today the pipeline is carrying one million barrels per day to the Mediterranean.
The same thing happened in West Papua, where we had to move a village in order to be able to build the plant. That is an extremely difficult thing to do well. This time, the independent panel was chaired by former US Senator George Mitchell and included local community leaders. All parties worked together not just to move part of the village, but to rebuild it better. The project is operational today, and the local residents seem happy with the results.
The lesson is: unless citizens feel some kind of ownership in the project, you are not going to be successful.

Unless citizens feel some kind of ownership….


Despite these wise words about governance, the Muir Russell has done exactly the opposite. Despite Muir Russell’s undertaking to exclude panelists with ties to the university or to the climate science debate, Geoffrey Boulton was appointed. Graham Stringer pointed out the panel’s lack of balance, but Muir Russell repudiated the point. Stringer observed: “I think you might find more credibility to your report if you have reputable scientists from both sides. It is a political issue really.” Stringer’s point here is the same point that Eyton had previously made – but ignored in his capacity as a Muir Russell panelist.


The lack of representation is made worse by the failure of the Muir Russell inquiry (or other inquiries) to make the slightest effort to talk to key critics and Climategate targets. The Oxburgh “inquiry” was even worse – breaking every governance rule described in Eyton’s speech."
 
Look at historical pictures of glaciers (shrinking) and arctic ice cap (shrinking). Amount of atmospheric CO2 much higher now than that found frozen in bubbles in 10000 year old glacier ice. Watch PBS Nova occasionally instead of viewing Facebook (purveyor of lies).
Unfortunately, the most publicly heralded ice core scientists have refused to archive, as their duty requires, which is especially important due to the enormous cost involved in such research. When they die, all the work will be left without record of how it was done.
Even when used as scientific advisors by Al Gore, they refused to correct Gore's film misinformation about their own work.
 
I take the simple approach regarding these things. When 95% or so of the experts on climate science say that it is man made then I go with the odds rather than believe in say Trump's assertion that it's a hoax because last night it was cold outside. Same approach with covid vaccinations. When 90+% of people hospitalized or dying from covid are not vaccinated I tend to think maybe it's a good idea to get vaccinated. If the feds really have come up with a tracking devise small enough to pass through the tip of a hypodermic needle then I guess I'll just have to stop robbing banks and committing acts of domestic terrorism. Seems like a small price to pay.
 
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