Following Yamaha out the door: Stromer is bailing out of the US Market

To be fair, back in 2015-2016 Stromer represented the top-of-the-line.
In 2015, Specialized Turbos were hub-drive e-bikes, yet they already had some connectivity. The same year, Specialized announced Turbo Levo, its first mid-drive motor e-MTB. By 2024, Specialized created e-bikes for any cycling category, went carbon, lightweight e-bikes, electronic drivetrain, and total connectivity. Compared, Stromer hasn't really changed for the last 9 years.

Next, there is a worldwide sales network and premium warranty.
 
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The Charger was a dealer trade-in. It was a NuVinci drivetrain, and at the time, I was told a Rohloff conversion was too difficult/expensive.

I feel people have had some success with the forsale forum here. I've seen plenty of R+Ms sold, and many other brands as well. I do agree about the depreciation hit. If it's a Bosch bike (or similar), a report with battery cycles, odometer etc will go a long way if the overall package is sold as 'near new.' Some bikes seem to hold their value better than others -- depends on all the stuff we're talking about here, reliability & support. You can co-list at CL/FM but use caution.

It used to be the case that ppl offered comments on asking price in the forsale subforum, but the ability to comment was turned off when some folks started attacking the seller as being delusional. Before putting your bike up, I might go to the brand subforum and ask for an evaluation. People do that all the time on FB, reddit. Good luck!
Thanks, I was just wondering and how the resale is going privately. I don't have a bike for sale. But in the future and who can predict it I might want to upgrade to something that is even more powerful and lighter and in my meager price point.

I'm not one of those people when you open up the garage door you see 10 bikes in there. I can only ride one at a time so form follows function.

I do currently have a manual powered road bike, an old vintage Raleigh sport 3 speed. And my new gazelle ultimate T10+
Which hauls arse and has gobbles of torque 85nm. I think I'm good for a while in the bike area.
Oh and thanks very much for your information, very helpful.
 
In 2025, Specialized Turbos were hub-drive e-bikes, yet they already had some connectivity. The same year, Specialized announced Turbo Levo, its first mid-drive motor e-MTB. By 2024, Specialized created e-bikes for any cycling category, went carbon, lightweight e-bikes, electronic drivetrain, and total connectivity. Compared, Stromer hasn't really changed for the last 9 years.

Next, there is a worldwide sales network and premium warranty.
I don't disagree. I remember the original lineup: Turbo, TurboX and TurboS with GoSwiss drives? Honestly, I lost track of Specialized's progress during the dark days of Mission Control + getting pulled into BoschWorld, but the current lineup and footprint is impressive. My impression on the ground - things took off with the Creo line. This allowed smaller shops to add ebikes to their offerings smoothly at attractive price points.
 
I'd suspect one reason Stromer is dropping out is that their bikes seem to do very poorly in rainy weather.
 
I had a an original Stromer ST2, it was a great ride for 5000 miles…


the problem was I got rid of it with 22000 miles . The 5000 miles were not consecutive, it limped a lot, didn’t brake well and more ..
waited for service and parts a lot. My wife had an St2s, our favorite bike since having e-bikes, when it worked , dealer quit servicing Stromers while in warranty , got really screwed on that one. Not as bad as Watt Wagons but close
 
How do you think Yamaha's exit from the U.S. market will affect it's technical support of Giant e-bikes ?
I would say not at all for existing Giant bikes with Yamaha motors. However if Giant will continue to use Yamaha systems going forward for U.S, sales is questionable? Remember that Yamaha has only announced pulling out of the U.S. market, not world wide and most likely will continue with development going forward. Like this one that never was introduced to the U.S. market.

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Much ado about nothing. the e-bike market in North America is strong and growing. some players will make it, and some won’t, the same as any market.

perhaps people don’t want 75lb, $10,000 “Bicycles” with lots of proprietary parts.
 
I would say not at all for existing Giant bikes with Yamaha motors. However if Giant will continue to use Yamaha systems going forward for U.S, sales is questionable? Remember that Yamaha has only announced pulling out of the U.S. market, not world wide and most likely will continue with development going forward. Like this one that never was introduced to the U.S. market.

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Yes, exactly - unlike some companies that are going bankrupt, Yamaha are huge, worldwide. Their own ebike division in comparison is/was tiny. It always felt sort of a sideline (outside of Japan anyway) to take advantage of their existing motor designs & infrastructure. They supply ebike motor systems to many brands, Giant and Haibike among others, which are not affected by this decision (unless there are further decisions about pulling out from the e bike tech space completely which would be very shocking). This decision to pull out of their own ebike models sales in the US was surprising its such a huge market you would think. I'd love to have been at those meetings to hear the rationale, but also Yamaha have a funny method of selling these bikes by using existing Yamaha motorbike dealers, rather then through third party independent bike shops. That created a visibility issue as not many people are going to pop into a motorbike store to buy a bicycle. It looks to me that internally this (small) division wasn't pulling its weight with sales so Yamaha did some housecleaning. A shame because they are robust and well thought out bikes. The Moto has been described as a bit old fashioned in its geo, but the same reviewers loved everything else about it. And the Wabash is pretty unique, plus all bikes are built around very good indeed motors with strong reliability records and ease of repair - something brands like Shimano/Bosch could take note of and is what increasingly customers, understandably, want - you pay $$$$ and the least we should expect is a reliable motor and one that can be repaired inexpensively by third parties, not some proprietary parts system that has to be replaced with a new motor & goes to landfill. The EU interestingly now has a law called Right To Repair for the electronics industry, to change the land fill issue, but it looks like so far e bike companies are ignoring it.
 
Yes, exactly - unlike some companies that are going bankrupt, Yamaha are huge, worldwide. Their own ebike division in comparison is/was tiny. It always felt sort of a sideline (outside of Japan anyway) to take advantage of their existing motor designs & infrastructure. They supply ebike motor systems to many brands, Giant and Haibike among others, which are not affected by this decision (unless there are further decisions about pulling out from the e bike tech space completely which would be very shocking). This decision to pull out of their own ebike models sales in the US was surprising its such a huge market you would think. I'd love to have been at those meetings to hear the rationale, but also Yamaha have a funny method of selling these bikes by using existing Yamaha motorbike dealers, rather then through third party independent bike shops. That created a visibility issue as not many people are going to pop into a motorbike store to buy a bicycle. It looks to me that internally this (small) division wasn't pulling its weight with sales so Yamaha did some housecleaning. A shame because they are robust and well thought out bikes. The Moto has been described as a bit old fashioned in its geo, but the same reviewers loved everything else about it. And the Wabash is pretty unique, plus all bikes are built around very good indeed motors with strong reliability records and ease of repair - something brands like Shimano/Bosch could take note of and is what increasingly customers, understandably, want - you pay $$$$ and the least we should expect is a reliable motor and one that can be repaired inexpensively by third parties, not some proprietary parts system that has to be replaced with a new motor & goes to landfill. The EU interestingly now has a law called Right To Repair for the electronics industry, to change the land fill issue, but it looks like so far e bike companies are ignoring it.
Interesting. In the DC Metro, I remember looking at a Yamaha Cross Check at an independent dealer of multiple brands. The shop was literally inside the Bethesda (MD) Metro. I just looked them up to see if they still sell Yamaha, but they appear to be out of business entirely. I recall obtaining a fee-based Bosch diagnostic report, so they either sold a few Bosch-equipped brands or at minimum were Bosch-certified.

In principle, Bethesda is a premiere location consistent with big wallets. It is at the DC-MD line. Down a few miles on Wisconsin Ave NW is the location of (at one time) of one of the largest multi-branded ebike stores in DC, Electricity, featured in some of Court Rye's R&M + Turbo Levo videos circa. 2019. I know of several ppl (not noobs) who were interested in perhaps acquiring Electricity after the owner passed but ultimately passing.

Generally, I currently see committed Trek/Specialized dealers, REI, some Tern (greatest diversity in retail outlets here, often featuring Tern & Gazelle) and of course DTC, more or less the throttle market. If Yamaha sold via its motorcycle dealers in the final years, I have to think that the relative decline in multi-branded independent dealers contributed.
 
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