Flying with lithium batteries

Big Tom

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Hi all, I'm taking a 48V kit to Costa Rica on Southwest and found a way to bring a battery while complying with FAA regulations. Dakota Lithium Batteries makes a 12V 7ah lithium that looks like a lead acid battery. I got four of those and will bring a frame bag and harness. I will hook them up when I arrive and will have a 7ah battery.
Some airlines will not allow Lithium batteries but Southwest will if it's part of something in your luggage. You do have to carry them on.
 
The limit is the same, whether it's a part of something or loose/spare. Outside the U S it's max 2 big Li batteries per passenger, 160WH each, if memory doesn't fail me.

Yours 12*7=84WH, that's fine, but four of them is illegal. The fact that it looks like sealed led acid battery means illegal AND concealed :)

You DON'T have to carry them on, but if you choose to do so, you may have either a) 2*160WH in equipment or b) 2*160WH spares. Scenario "a" is rarely applicable to e-bikes because this equipment is too big for carry-on.

In checked luggage you are only allowed them in equipment.

This is FAA rule, I doubt airlines have any say in this, though they can deny boarding when they don't like how it's packed or installed, even when it's within the limit.
 
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The limit is the same, whether it's a part of something or loose/spare. Outside the U S it's max 2 big Li batteries per passenger, 160WH each, if memory doesn't fail me.

Yours 12*7=84WH, that's fine, but four of them is illegal. The fact that it looks like sealed led acid battery means illegal AND concealed :)

You DON'T have to carry them on, but if you choose to do so, you may have either a) 2*160WH in equipment or b) 2*160WH spares. Scenario "a" is rarely applicable to e-bikes because this equipment is too big for carry-on.

In checked luggage you are only allowed them in equipment.

This is FAA rule, I doubt airlines have any say in this, though they can deny boarding when they don't like how it's packed or installed, even when it's within the limit.

Not sure where you got your information from. I checked both with FAA and Southwest Headquarters.
You cannot put any lithium batteries in checked luggage. Not even e cigarettes.
You can carry the batteries for any item as long as each is under 100 watt hours. FAA says as many batteries as you want, Southwest limits them to 20. You must carry these on.
The airline may approve up to two batteries between 101 and 160 watt hours as well. So it's limited to the space in your carry on how many batteries you can take.

Here is a link (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)

Because of these limits you can't take any normal bike batteries. If you run the 12V in series after you arrive you will get a seven amp hour battery in 36 or 48V. That's what's so cool about this, it is something you couldn't do before. Dakota tech says a normal 48-52V lithium charger will work. They travel with batteries all the time and advised that not all airlines will take these, that's why I checked with Southwest.
The regulation applies to all flights originating in the USA.
 
Tom, here it is:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...fo/media/airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

It's a bit confusing as your 84 WH batteries are not for small electronics like laptop or camera, though technically they are not "larger batteries" because they are less than 101 WH. So you might get lucky with 4 of them. Scroll down to the table on page 2, it's easier to read.

Your document is about spare batteries ONLY. "Spares must be carried in carry-on baggage only" means that spares must be carried-on. Doesn't mean that you can't have devices with Li batts in carry-on. Refer to the Table where it says Yes or No.

The "Pack Safe" page sometimes talks about all sizes of Li batts and sometimes about "larger", i.e. 101-160WH, while the table specifies more clearly either "consumer size" or "larger". The "Pack Safe" is a bit old, 2013. The table is more recent 2016.

Airlines are not authorized to increase the limits - they can only approve what FAA had already approved. They can also deny boarding when they don't like it for some valid reason.
 
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Tom, here it is:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...fo/media/airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

Scroll down to the table on page 2, it's easier to read. Your document is about spare batteries only, but it says same thing - max 2 larger batteries.

"Spares must be carried in carry-on baggage only" means that spares must be carried-on. You can't have spares in checked-in luggage. Doesn't mean that you can't have equipment with larger Li batts in carry-on. Refer to the Table where it says Yes or No.

Technically, it doesn't limit the number of 100-160WH batts in devices when it's carried-on, but this is of little use to you because they won't let you carry an ebike on.

20 or unlimited number of Li batteries refers to small batteries like laptop etc.

Again, airlines are not authorized to increase the limits - they can only approve what FAA had already approved. They can also disapprove it.

I am taking a 48V powered hub and renting a bike to install it on. I agree you cannot take typical ebike batteries. You can take 4 -12V lithium batteries and run them is series. to make a 48V battery
All of my batteries are under 100 Watt Hours. That is the criteria. They use laptops as an example, not as a limiter. The restriction is 100 watt hours or less and all of mine are.
The one exception I saw was for wheelchairs - up to 300 watt hours.
They allow battery packs as carry on. See 18.iv below.

I'm following the regulations and won't have any problems as long as I carry it on as 12V batteries and the terminals are protected.

From the actual regulations
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrie...&ty=HTML&h=L&r=SECTION&n=49y2.1.1.3.12.1.25.5

(18) Except as provided in §173.21 of this subchapter, portable electronic devices (e.g., watches, calculating machines, cameras, cellular phones, laptop and notebook computers, camcorders, medical devices etc.) containing dry cells or dry batteries (including lithium cells or batteries) and spare dry cells or batteries for these devices, when carried by passengers or crew members for personal use. Portable electronic devices powered by lithium batteries may be carried in either checked or carry-on baggage. Spare lithium batteries must be carried in carry-on baggage only. Each installed or spare lithium battery must be of a type proven to meet the requirements of each test in the UN Manual of Tests and Criteria, Part III, Sub-section 38.3 and each spare lithium battery must be individually protected so as to prevent short circuits (e.g., by placement in original retail packaging, by otherwise insulating terminals by taping over exposed terminals, or placing each battery in a separate plastic bag or protective pouch). In addition, each installed or spare lithium battery must not exceed the following:

(i) For a lithium metal battery, a lithium content of not more than 2 grams per battery; or

(ii) For a lithium ion battery, the Watt-hour rating must not exceed 100 Wh. With the approval of the operator, portable electronic devices may contain lithium ion batteries exceeding 100 Wh, but not exceeding 160 Wh and no more than two individually protected lithium ion batteries each exceeding 100 Wh, but not exceeding 160 Wh, may be carried per person as spare batteries in carry-on baggage.

(iii) For a non-spillable battery, the battery and equipment must conform to §173.159a(d). Each battery must not exceed a voltage greater than 12 volts and a watt-hour rating of not more than 100 Wh. No more than two individually protected spare batteries may be carried. Such equipment and spare batteries must be carried in checked or carry-on baggage.

(iv) Articles containing lithium metal or lithium ion cells or batteries the primary purpose of which is to provide power to another device must be carried as spare batteries in accordance with the provisions of this paragraph.
 
Hi Tom-

I was curious to hear if you were successful traveling to Costa Rica with the Dakota batteries? I'm taking a trip to Costa Rica next year and would love to bring and e-bike but am having trouble getting clear on the airplane battery regulations. I was hoping to bring my Copenhagen wheel but am now considering some kind of kit for my brompton.

Cheers,
Paul
 
Hi Tom-

I was curious to hear if you were successful traveling to Costa Rica with the Dakota batteries? I'm taking a trip to Costa Rica next year and would love to bring and e-bike but am having trouble getting clear on the airplane battery regulations. I was hoping to bring my Copenhagen wheel but am now considering some kind of kit for my brompton.

Cheers,
Paul
Not a problem. Nobody blinked an eye.
At the moment you can take a battery pack no larger then 100 watt hours. You can take up to 20 on Southwest, not sure on others. A 12V 7ah lithium was as close as I could get for an e-bike. The Dakota batteries worked well.

If you had a DIY kit for a battery you could bring the cells and build your own battery there. The FAA does not restrict number of cells you can carry on, some airlines like Southwest do.
I am travelling there often and now have a 36V battery plus the 48V pack there if you are interested in renting them.
 
Just a thought, but if the airlines are being picky (and I fully understand their view point) why not use a common carrier to ship them to your destination?
 
Not a problem. Nobody blinked an eye.
At the moment you can take a battery pack no larger then 100 watt hours. You can take up to 20 on Southwest, not sure on others. A 12V 7ah lithium was as close as I could get for an e-bike. The Dakota batteries worked well.

If you had a DIY kit for a battery you could bring the cells and build your own battery there. The FAA does not restrict number of cells you can carry on, some airlines like Southwest do.
I am travelling there often and now have a 36V battery plus the 48V pack there if you are interested in renting them.

Thanks Tom - I appreciate the offer. Can I ask what kind of setup you are using? Is there a particular hub motor that you like?
 
I use an inexpensive 500W kit 36V and a very expensive 700W 48V system there. #36V 10 ah and (4) x 12V 7 ah lithium that makes a pack about 3.5" x 15" x 8" (guessing on the size)

I only use geared hubs, torque is my main consideration. The 700W Bistro kit has the best motor I've used. The new MAC 1000W appears to be well designed as well. Bistro will build any size hub up to 9 gears, MAC is still limited to a 7 speed freewheel. Bistro is available through Amazon and Luna carries the MAC kit at a reasonable price.
 
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