Cycle friendly streets ?

A dutch approach might work in some of our urban areas, but large swaths of the country, like where I live, are just too thinly settled. Then add in hills, where even with a high torque drive train, I need to work getting up them. I'd add in weather, too. The Netherlands isn't nearly as cold in winter as Chicago is, to use just one example.

You also have the problem that many of our more southern cities are designed for sprawl. You can't even walk many of them.

In summary, it's not really fair to compare the most densely settled major country in Europe to the USA, which is famous for not being densely settled. OTOH, there are certainly some urban areas in the US which would lend themselves to bikes. In fact, some of them are moving in that direction! Just very slowly. Note though that it takes along time to change infrastructure. For example, Boston and some close in suburbs like Brookline have recently marked a number of bike lanes. Unfortunately, they seem to be used more by delivery vehicles than by bicycles.

This is kind of a misleading assertion.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of our population lives in fairly densely populated areas, most of which seem to be good candidates for better bike infrastructure.

Also, in some ways the sprawlier (is that an actual word?) cities are likely to be easier to retrofit with decent bicycle infra and are also likely to benefit more from it. The more densely packed and older cities are going to find it more expensive to find space for grade-separated bicycle "freeways" which are really the high efficiency way to move lots of people (dollar for dollar they are going to be much cheaper to build and maintain than an auto road that can move the same number of people per hour).
 
This is kind of a misleading assertion.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of our population lives in fairly densely populated areas, most of which seem to be good candidates for better bike infrastructure.

Also, in some ways the sprawlier (is that an actual word?) cities are likely to be easier to retrofit with decent bicycle infra and are also likely to benefit more from it. The more densely packed and older cities are going to find it more expensive to find space for grade-separated bicycle "freeways" which are really the high efficiency way to move lots of people (dollar for dollar they are going to be much cheaper to build and maintain than an auto road that can move the same number of people per hour).
The problem is that even our densely populated areas (with rare exceptions) don't have the density of European cities. Outside a few cities like NYC, the focus in the USA has always been on single family homes with yards. Most of Europe, and almost all of the Netherlands, is not like this. Multi-family dwellings and apartment buildings are the rule. Most European urban areas also have long standing public transit infrastructure that we can only dream about. Then there's weather factors. All our "sprawlier" cities are sunbelt. Can you imagine people happily biking in Atlanta in mid summer? Let's not even think of Arizona's cities. Or the ones in Texas. I'm talking about more ordinary folks, not enthusiasts that will put up with adverse conditions to pursue their passion.
 
This is kind of a misleading assertion.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of our population lives in fairly densely populated areas, most of which seem to be good candidates for better bike infrastructure.

Also, in some ways the sprawlier (is that an actual word?) cities are likely to be easier to retrofit with decent bicycle infra and are also likely to benefit more from it. The more densely packed and older cities are going to find it more expensive to find space for grade-separated bicycle "freeways" which are really the high efficiency way to move lots of people (dollar for dollar they are going to be much cheaper to build and maintain than an auto road that can move the same number of people per hour).
It works for me.

The areas I live in here in Mi (a few miles NW of Detroit), as well as the place in FL (2 hours N of Tampa on the W coast), are not currently set up to be "bike friendly" enough where I would even consider parking my car for good, or for that matter, even doing the majority of my errands via bike. The fact I'm an out of shape senior makes that idea even worse.

For starters, I flat refuse to ride my bike in a bike lane separated from traffic by nothing more than a white line. That's if the road I need to travel even has a wishful thinking bike lane line painted. Not going to happen, period. Way safer to just get in the car for that errand.....

We have plenty of rec. trails available in both places. It's just there's been no attempt made at encouraging commuting in any volume.

Where I've seen "bike friendly" work best stateside are many of the college towns.....
 
It works for me.

The areas I live in here in Mi (a few miles NW of Detroit), as well as the place in FL (2 hours N of Tampa on the W coast), are not currently set up to be "bike friendly" enough where I would even consider parking my car for good, or for that matter, even doing the majority of my errands via bike. The fact I'm an out of shape senior makes that idea even worse.

For starters, I flat refuse to ride my bike in a bike lane separated from traffic by nothing more than a white line. That's if the road I need to travel even has a wishful thinking bike lane line painted. Not going to happen, period. Way safer to just get in the car for that errand.....

We have plenty of rec. trails available in both places. It's just there's been no attempt made at encouraging commuting in any volume.

Where I've seen "bike friendly" work best stateside are many of the college towns.....
Yes, and they have a long history of bike use, so most of them designed for bikes from times long ago. On larger campuses like I attended, undergrads aren't even allowed to use autos on campus most of the time, so there's an additional strong motivation. Maybe if congestion pricing moved into more cities in USA, it might provide a stronger push for bikes?
 
Minneapolis is putting in more and more bike lanes every day. Where there used to be three lanes of traffic through downtown, They have closed one lane to cars and made them bike lanes. Most of our buses have bike racks on the front. We have countless ebike hourly rental stations all over the city.
Here's the problem for me:
I live about 12 miles from work and could commute with very few miles on actual surface streets. My buddy just got out of the hospital from getting creamed by a car. Broken ribs, skull fracture, he was/is in bad shape!
Hit and run bike accident over the weekend left the rider dead.
Lots of reports of assults/bikes being stolen from riders along the greenway.

So even though Minneapolis is bike forward, the driving populace may not be. In fact, there is a BIG uproar every time they announce bike lanes going in!
It just takes one, ahole aggresive driver to ruin your day!
 
Minneapolis is putting in more and more bike lanes every day. Where there used to be three lanes of traffic through downtown, They have closed one lane to cars and made them bike lanes. Most of our buses have bike racks on the front. We have countless ebike hourly rental stations all over the city.
Here's the problem for me:
I live about 12 miles from work and could commute with very few miles on actual surface streets. My buddy just got out of the hospital from getting creamed by a car. Broken ribs, skull fracture, he was/is in bad shape!
Hit and run bike accident over the weekend left the rider dead.
Lots of reports of assults/bikes being stolen from riders along the greenway.

So even though Minneapolis is bike forward, the driving populace may not be. In fact, there is a BIG uproar every time they announce bike lanes going in!
It just takes one, ahole aggresive driver to ruin your day!
Then there's winter in Mpls. They still get snow and cold weather there? Or is it good biking year-round now, due to global warming? Used to live in the Linden Hills area. Would not have wanted to bike there in winter with the wind hwipping off Lake Harriett!
 
I bike all year. We have lots of year round commuters, but I see them on those -25 mornings and say, "You got bigger kahunas than me!"
 
A dutch approach might work in some of our urban areas, but large swaths of the country, like where I live, are just too thinly settled. Then add in hills, where even with a high torque drive train, I need to work getting up them. I'd add in weather, too. The Netherlands isn't nearly as cold in winter as Chicago is, to use just one example.

You also have the problem that many of our more southern cities are designed for sprawl. You can't even walk many of them.

In summary, it's not really fair to compare the most densely settled major country in Europe to the USA, which is famous for not being densely settled. OTOH, there are certainly some urban areas in the US which would lend themselves to bikes. In fact, some of them are moving in that direction! Just very slowly. Note though that it takes along time to change infrastructure. For example, Boston and some close in suburbs like Brookline have recently marked a number of bike lanes. Unfortunately, they seem to be used more by delivery vehicles than by bicycles.
Those are the challenges we face, much bigger country with lots of topography. Still, their rail system allows
great distance to be covered with far less fuel consumption, & it is geared to deliver cyclists & pedestrians to
their destinations sans autos. Of course this is more geared to urban areas. That´s where the greatest problem
exists. 80% 0f the US in now urban dwellers. Farmers have to have vehicles for commerce, & cargo still has to move. Constructing bike paths is still far cheaper than four lanes & would relieve traffic congestion considerably as well as environmental stress. I´m not making a comparison at all; simply stating that we have much to learn from the Dutch that would go a long way toward improving quality of life
 
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Those are the challenges we face, much bigger country with lots of topography. Still, their rail system allows
great distance to be covered with far less fuel consumption, & it is geared to deliver cyclists & pedestrians to
their destinations sans autos. Of course this is more geared to urban areas. That´s where the greatest problem
exists. 80% 0f the US in now urban dwellers. Farmers have to have vehicles for commerce, & cargo still has to move. Constructing bike paths is still far cheaper than four lanes & would relieved traffic congestion considerably as well as environmental stress. I´m not making a comparison at all; simply stating that we have much to learn from the Dutch that would go a long way toward improving quality of life
Agreed. We've subsidized autos for years with roadbuilding, free streetside parking and such. Time bikes got their share.
 
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As Bikers Throng the Streets, ‘It’s Like Paris Is in Anarchy’
Liz Alderman
8 - 10 minutes

Paris Dispatch

An ecologically minded experiment to make Paris a cycling capital of Europe has led to a million people now pedaling daily — and to rising tensions with pedestrians.

Video

Cinemagraph
CreditCredit...By Dmitry Kostyukov For The New York Times

Oct. 2, 2021

PARIS — On a recent afternoon, the Rue de Rivoli looked like this: Cyclists blowing through red lights in two directions. Delivery bike riders fixating on their cellphones. Electric scooters careening across lanes. Jaywalkers and nervous pedestrians scrambling as if in a video game.

Sarah Famery, a 20-year resident of the Marais neighborhood, braced for the tumult. She looked left, then right, then left and right again before venturing into a crosswalk, only to break into a rant-laden sprint as two cyclists came within inches of grazing her.

“It’s chaos!” exclaimed Ms. Famery, shaking a fist at the swarm of bikes that have displaced cars on the Rue de Rivoli ever since it was remade into a multilane highway for cyclists last year. “Politicians want to make Paris a cycling city, but no one is following any rules,” she said. “It’s becoming risky just to cross the street!”

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At the intersection of Rue de Rivoli and Boulevard Sebastopol during the evening rush hour, last month.
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

The mayhem on Rue de Rivoli — a major traffic artery stretching from the Bastille past the Louvre to the Place de la Concorde — is playing out on streets across Paris as the authorities pursue an ambitious goal of making the city a European cycling capital by 2024.

Mayor Anne Hidalgo, who is campaigning for the French presidency, has been burnishing her credentials as an ecologically minded Socialist candidate. She has earned admirers and enemies alike with a bold program to transform greater Paris into the world’s leading environmentally sustainable metropolis, reclaiming vast swaths of the city from cars for parks, pedestrians and a Copenhagen-style cycling revolution.

She has made highways along the Seine car-free and last year, during coronavirus lockdowns, oversaw the creation of over 100 miles of new bike paths. She plans to limit cars in 2022 in the heart of the city, along half of the Right Bank and through the Boulevard Saint Germain.

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

Parisians have heeded the call: A million people in a metropolis of 10 million are now pedaling daily. And Paris now ranks among the world’s top 10 cycling cities.

But with success has come major growing pains.

“It’s like Paris is in anarchy,” said Jean-Conrad LeMaitre, a former banker who was out for a stroll recently along the Rue de Rivoli. “We need to reduce pollution and improve the environment,” he said. “But everyone is just doing as they please. There are no police, no fines, no training and no respect.”

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

At City Hall, the people in charge of the transformation acknowledged the need for solutions to the flaring tensions, and to the accidents and even deaths that have resulted from the free-for-all on the streets. Anger over reckless electric scooter use in particular boiled over after a 31-year-old woman was killed this summer in a hit-and-run along the Seine.

“We are in the midst of a new era where bikes and pedestrians are at the heart of a policy to fight climate change,” said David Belliard, Paris’s deputy mayor for transportation and the point person overseeing the metamorphosis. “But it’s only recently that people started using bikes en masse, and it will take time to adapt.”

Mr. Belliard hopes Parisians can be coaxed into complying with laws, in part by adding more police to hand out 135 euro fines ($158) to unruly cyclists and by teaching school children about bike safety. Electric scooters have been restricted to a speed of 10 kilometers an hour (just over 6 m.p.h.) in crowded areas, and could be banned by the end of 2022 if dangerous use doesn’t stop.

The city also plans talks with delivery companies like Uber Eats, whose couriers are paid per delivery and are some of the biggest offenders when it comes to breaking traffic rules. “Their economic model is part of the problem,” Mr. Belliard said.

Probably the biggest challenge, though, is that Paris doesn’t yet have an ingrained cycling culture.

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

The abiding French sense of “liberté” is on display in the streets at all hours, where Parisians young and old jaywalk at nearly every opportunity. They appear to have carried that freewheeling spirit to their bikes.

“In Denmark, which has a decades-long cycling culture, the mentality is, ‘Don’t go if the light is red,’” said Christine Melchoir, a Dane who has lived in Paris for 30 years and commutes daily by bike. “But for a Parisian, the mentality is, ‘Do it!’”

Urban planners say better cycling infrastructure could help tame bad behavior.

Copenhagen — the model that Paris aspires to — has efficient layouts for cycling paths that allow bikes, pedestrians and cars to coexist within a hierarchy of space. Citizens are taught from a young age to follow rules of the road.

In Paris, parts of the 1,000-kilometer citywide cycling network (about 620 miles) can steer bikers into hazardous interactions with cars, pedestrians and other cyclists. At the Bastille, a once-enormous traffic circle that was partly appropriated from cars, a tangle of bike lanes weave through traffic. Cyclists who respect signals can take up to four minutes to cross.

“Paris has the right ideas and they’re absolutely the main city to watch on the planet, because no one is near them for their general urban transformation visions,” said Mikael Colville-Andersen, a Copenhagen-based urban designer who advises cities on integrating cycling into urban transport.

Video

Cinemagraph
CreditCredit...By Dmitry Kostyukov For The New York Times

“But the infrastructure is like spaghetti,” he continued. “It’s chaotic, it doesn’t connect up and there’s no cohesive network. If you can get that right, it will eliminate a lot of confusion.”

Mr. Belliard, the deputy mayor, said Paris would soon unveil a blueprint to improve infrastructure. But for now, the tumult continues. On a recent afternoon, eight cyclists ran a red light en masse on the Boulevard de Sébastopol, a major north-south artery. Wary pedestrians cowered until one dared to try crossing, causing a near pileup.

Back on the Rue de Rivoli, cyclists swerved to avoid pedestrians playing a game of chicken with oncoming bikes. “Pay attention!” a cyclist in a red safety vest and goggles shouted at three women crossing against a red light, as he nearly crashed in the rain.

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

Cyclists say Paris hasn’t done enough to make bike commuting safe. Bike accidents jumped 35 percent last year, from 2019. Paris en Selle, a cycling organization, has held protests calling for road security after several cyclists were killed in collisions with motorists, including, recently, a 2-year-old boy riding with his father who was killed near the Louvre when a truck turned into them.

A small but growing number of cyclists say they’re too nervous to ride anymore.

“I’m afraid of being crushed,” said Paul Michel Casabelle, 44, a superintendent at the Maison de Danemark, a Danish cultural institute.

On a recent Sunday, Ingrid Juratowitch had to talk her daughter Saskia safely across bike lanes near the Saint Paul metro station while she held her two other young daughters at a safe distance from the street.

“Be careful, there are bikes coming from the left and right,” said Ms. Juratowitch, who has lived in Paris for 14 years. She is increasingly reluctant to let her children walk to school for fear of reckless riders. “There’s another one coming. OK, now you can go!”

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

“From an environmental point of view, we don’t want to see the city go back to cars,” Ms. Juratowitch said. “But it’s not safe. It’s as if bikes and pedestrians don’t know how to coexist.”

Saskia, 12, chimed in. “It’s not the bikes, it’s the bikers,” she said. “They think the rules apply to everyone except them.”

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times
 
In theory I can share 10 articles a month. Just figure out how. There's the text anyway . I will see about the video.
 
I don't think the NY Times likes me. That one doesn't work either...

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As Bikers Throng the Streets, ‘It’s Like Paris Is in Anarchy’
Liz Alderman
8 - 10 minutes

Paris Dispatch

An ecologically minded experiment to make Paris a cycling capital of Europe has led to a million people now pedaling daily — and to rising tensions with pedestrians.

Video

Cinemagraph
CreditCredit...By Dmitry Kostyukov For The New York Times

Oct. 2, 2021

PARIS — On a recent afternoon, the Rue de Rivoli looked like this: Cyclists blowing through red lights in two directions. Delivery bike riders fixating on their cellphones. Electric scooters careening across lanes. Jaywalkers and nervous pedestrians scrambling as if in a video game.

Sarah Famery, a 20-year resident of the Marais neighborhood, braced for the tumult. She looked left, then right, then left and right again before venturing into a crosswalk, only to break into a rant-laden sprint as two cyclists came within inches of grazing her.

“It’s chaos!” exclaimed Ms. Famery, shaking a fist at the swarm of bikes that have displaced cars on the Rue de Rivoli ever since it was remade into a multilane highway for cyclists last year. “Politicians want to make Paris a cycling city, but no one is following any rules,” she said. “It’s becoming risky just to cross the street!”

Image
At the intersection of Rue de Rivoli and Boulevard Sebastopol during the evening rush hour, last month.
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

The mayhem on Rue de Rivoli — a major traffic artery stretching from the Bastille past the Louvre to the Place de la Concorde — is playing out on streets across Paris as the authorities pursue an ambitious goal of making the city a European cycling capital by 2024.

Mayor Anne Hidalgo, who is campaigning for the French presidency, has been burnishing her credentials as an ecologically minded Socialist candidate. She has earned admirers and enemies alike with a bold program to transform greater Paris into the world’s leading environmentally sustainable metropolis, reclaiming vast swaths of the city from cars for parks, pedestrians and a Copenhagen-style cycling revolution.

She has made highways along the Seine car-free and last year, during coronavirus lockdowns, oversaw the creation of over 100 miles of new bike paths. She plans to limit cars in 2022 in the heart of the city, along half of the Right Bank and through the Boulevard Saint Germain.

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

Parisians have heeded the call: A million people in a metropolis of 10 million are now pedaling daily. And Paris now ranks among the world’s top 10 cycling cities.

But with success has come major growing pains.

“It’s like Paris is in anarchy,” said Jean-Conrad LeMaitre, a former banker who was out for a stroll recently along the Rue de Rivoli. “We need to reduce pollution and improve the environment,” he said. “But everyone is just doing as they please. There are no police, no fines, no training and no respect.”

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

At City Hall, the people in charge of the transformation acknowledged the need for solutions to the flaring tensions, and to the accidents and even deaths that have resulted from the free-for-all on the streets. Anger over reckless electric scooter use in particular boiled over after a 31-year-old woman was killed this summer in a hit-and-run along the Seine.

“We are in the midst of a new era where bikes and pedestrians are at the heart of a policy to fight climate change,” said David Belliard, Paris’s deputy mayor for transportation and the point person overseeing the metamorphosis. “But it’s only recently that people started using bikes en masse, and it will take time to adapt.”

Mr. Belliard hopes Parisians can be coaxed into complying with laws, in part by adding more police to hand out 135 euro fines ($158) to unruly cyclists and by teaching school children about bike safety. Electric scooters have been restricted to a speed of 10 kilometers an hour (just over 6 m.p.h.) in crowded areas, and could be banned by the end of 2022 if dangerous use doesn’t stop.

The city also plans talks with delivery companies like Uber Eats, whose couriers are paid per delivery and are some of the biggest offenders when it comes to breaking traffic rules. “Their economic model is part of the problem,” Mr. Belliard said.

Probably the biggest challenge, though, is that Paris doesn’t yet have an ingrained cycling culture.

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

The abiding French sense of “liberté” is on display in the streets at all hours, where Parisians young and old jaywalk at nearly every opportunity. They appear to have carried that freewheeling spirit to their bikes.

“In Denmark, which has a decades-long cycling culture, the mentality is, ‘Don’t go if the light is red,’” said Christine Melchoir, a Dane who has lived in Paris for 30 years and commutes daily by bike. “But for a Parisian, the mentality is, ‘Do it!’”

Urban planners say better cycling infrastructure could help tame bad behavior.

Copenhagen — the model that Paris aspires to — has efficient layouts for cycling paths that allow bikes, pedestrians and cars to coexist within a hierarchy of space. Citizens are taught from a young age to follow rules of the road.

In Paris, parts of the 1,000-kilometer citywide cycling network (about 620 miles) can steer bikers into hazardous interactions with cars, pedestrians and other cyclists. At the Bastille, a once-enormous traffic circle that was partly appropriated from cars, a tangle of bike lanes weave through traffic. Cyclists who respect signals can take up to four minutes to cross.

“Paris has the right ideas and they’re absolutely the main city to watch on the planet, because no one is near them for their general urban transformation visions,” said Mikael Colville-Andersen, a Copenhagen-based urban designer who advises cities on integrating cycling into urban transport.

Video

Cinemagraph
CreditCredit...By Dmitry Kostyukov For The New York Times

“But the infrastructure is like spaghetti,” he continued. “It’s chaotic, it doesn’t connect up and there’s no cohesive network. If you can get that right, it will eliminate a lot of confusion.”

Mr. Belliard, the deputy mayor, said Paris would soon unveil a blueprint to improve infrastructure. But for now, the tumult continues. On a recent afternoon, eight cyclists ran a red light en masse on the Boulevard de Sébastopol, a major north-south artery. Wary pedestrians cowered until one dared to try crossing, causing a near pileup.

Back on the Rue de Rivoli, cyclists swerved to avoid pedestrians playing a game of chicken with oncoming bikes. “Pay attention!” a cyclist in a red safety vest and goggles shouted at three women crossing against a red light, as he nearly crashed in the rain.

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

Cyclists say Paris hasn’t done enough to make bike commuting safe. Bike accidents jumped 35 percent last year, from 2019. Paris en Selle, a cycling organization, has held protests calling for road security after several cyclists were killed in collisions with motorists, including, recently, a 2-year-old boy riding with his father who was killed near the Louvre when a truck turned into them.

A small but growing number of cyclists say they’re too nervous to ride anymore.

“I’m afraid of being crushed,” said Paul Michel Casabelle, 44, a superintendent at the Maison de Danemark, a Danish cultural institute.

On a recent Sunday, Ingrid Juratowitch had to talk her daughter Saskia safely across bike lanes near the Saint Paul metro station while she held her two other young daughters at a safe distance from the street.

“Be careful, there are bikes coming from the left and right,” said Ms. Juratowitch, who has lived in Paris for 14 years. She is increasingly reluctant to let her children walk to school for fear of reckless riders. “There’s another one coming. OK, now you can go!”

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

“From an environmental point of view, we don’t want to see the city go back to cars,” Ms. Juratowitch said. “But it’s not safe. It’s as if bikes and pedestrians don’t know how to coexist.”

Saskia, 12, chimed in. “It’s not the bikes, it’s the bikers,” she said. “They think the rules apply to everyone except them.”

Image
Credit...Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times
 
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