calvin
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Too many cops have been killed here.
Can city and state ordinances trump federal law?
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Hey James, do you know any single ladies in Canada who might be interested in marrying an enthusiastic electric bike blogger? I'd like to find my way into Canada, seems like a nice place
calvin
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Yeah, Move along officer nothing here to see.
calvin
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Start way out west:Hey James, do you know any single ladies in Canada who might be interested in marrying an enthusiastic electric bike blogger? I'd like to find my way into Canada, seems like a nice place
Electric Bike Specialists
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Couple more interesting articles:
If you do get pulled, give them a pitch
- http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/council-votes-to-open-up-bicycle-lanes-to-e-bikes-1.1697030
- https://www.evworld.com
If you do get pulled, give them a pitch
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James
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Hey James, do you know any single ladies in Canada who might be interested in marrying an enthusiastic electric bike blogger? I'd like to find my way into Canada, seems like a nice place
Sure man! The Vancouver Bike Show is next weekend. Lets get a booth, promote www.Electricbikereview.com and take notes on all the lovely bike ladies!!
I can't guarantee anything, but in my day I was quite the wing-man!!
See you next week playa!
Ha! Wow, I wish I could make it up for the show... that sounds awesome! I'm heading to California in a couple of weeks to see all of Currie's new stuff. Barely breaking even on the site right now and I'd like to go to Interbike and maybe Eurobike so I'll probably have to skip this time. If you have any thoughts on how to tastefully monetize the site I'm open to suggestions
George S.
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Calvin,
There are a set of airplane regulations that are similar to the ebike regulations. It's called Part 103 and it allows any aircraft under about 250 pounds to be flown without any license, registration, training, or medical requirement. These are Ultralight Regulations. They have been abused to the point where its meaningless, because anybody who makes light aircraft finds it a lot easier under Part 103, and people don't want all the regs. The funny part is that it just goes on being a giant mess, perhaps forever. If you crash and maybe do some damage, the FAA can say you were flying an unregistered aircraft as an uncertificated pilot. They could just weigh whatever remained and see if it was over the weight. But other than that there is just no enforcement.
Basically, manufacturers are going to wrap themselves around any 'fig leaf' that lets them operate in a seriously unregulated environment. But if you say there is a limit on speed (airspeed in the case of an Ultralight) it's too easy for people to remove the restraints. They are never really going to catch that on an ebike, unless you are doing 25 mph in a 15 mph school zone, something like that. I know of regular bikers caught by this, I guess with radar. The more people push the regulations, the more likely a more serious problem occurs. More speed or more weight means more damage.
There's a set of regulations for when everything is normal and everyone gets home safe. It's when the dark forces line up and you are stuck at the center. I would be very careful around children, who can dart for no reason. You just never know what a prosecutor is going to suggest the law is, if something fairly dramatic happens and it becomes a media circus. I saw a lot of episodes of Law and Order where McCoy bent the law to the breaking point to prosecute somebody. It's not an ebike scenario, but it's how prosecutors can handle situations.
Utah decided to permit ATV's on the streets, with registration and insurance, five years ago. It's been uneventful. I don't think anyone wants to license ebikers, or require registrations, so I take heart that fairly powerful gas vehicles, not automobiles, are allowed. ATV's are loud and create huge clouds of dust. Ebikes are almost zero impact.
There's a sheriff or highway patrol shot and often killed 2 or 3 times a year, anymore. It's miserable. I grew up in Tucson, had 3 friends go into law enforcement, but it's just not the same deal anymore.
Best,
George
There are a set of airplane regulations that are similar to the ebike regulations. It's called Part 103 and it allows any aircraft under about 250 pounds to be flown without any license, registration, training, or medical requirement. These are Ultralight Regulations. They have been abused to the point where its meaningless, because anybody who makes light aircraft finds it a lot easier under Part 103, and people don't want all the regs. The funny part is that it just goes on being a giant mess, perhaps forever. If you crash and maybe do some damage, the FAA can say you were flying an unregistered aircraft as an uncertificated pilot. They could just weigh whatever remained and see if it was over the weight. But other than that there is just no enforcement.
Basically, manufacturers are going to wrap themselves around any 'fig leaf' that lets them operate in a seriously unregulated environment. But if you say there is a limit on speed (airspeed in the case of an Ultralight) it's too easy for people to remove the restraints. They are never really going to catch that on an ebike, unless you are doing 25 mph in a 15 mph school zone, something like that. I know of regular bikers caught by this, I guess with radar. The more people push the regulations, the more likely a more serious problem occurs. More speed or more weight means more damage.
There's a set of regulations for when everything is normal and everyone gets home safe. It's when the dark forces line up and you are stuck at the center. I would be very careful around children, who can dart for no reason. You just never know what a prosecutor is going to suggest the law is, if something fairly dramatic happens and it becomes a media circus. I saw a lot of episodes of Law and Order where McCoy bent the law to the breaking point to prosecute somebody. It's not an ebike scenario, but it's how prosecutors can handle situations.
Utah decided to permit ATV's on the streets, with registration and insurance, five years ago. It's been uneventful. I don't think anyone wants to license ebikers, or require registrations, so I take heart that fairly powerful gas vehicles, not automobiles, are allowed. ATV's are loud and create huge clouds of dust. Ebikes are almost zero impact.
There's a sheriff or highway patrol shot and often killed 2 or 3 times a year, anymore. It's miserable. I grew up in Tucson, had 3 friends go into law enforcement, but it's just not the same deal anymore.
Best,
George
Chris Nolte
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NYC is often referenced when speaking of ebike law, but it seems like we are finally making some headway. A recent resolution has been presented at City Council and it seems to be making it way up to Albany.
Story quoted below:
Story quoted below:
Well this guy doesn't seem to know the law in his own town, and that's always a bad sign.
Whining and sarcasm are like feeding red meat to cops.
I've been stopped several times by cops asking how far it goes, how fast and how much... I give'em the spiel and always offer them a free demo....
When it comes to the police, be friendly, be frank and know the law. Don't agree to a search if you do not want to
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Brian Adelstein
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I'd trust a Wikipedia legal opinion as soon as I'd trust a Wikipedia article on how to perform an open heart surgery procedure, especially when its not gonna stop you from getting a ticket, but I am enthused by Chris' article about the push for actual effective change.
Cameron Pemstein
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The bottom line is, use your head and ride the safest way you can for the the situation you are in. If you are weaving in and out of foot traffic doing 20mph on a boardwalk or sidewalk, well you deserve a ticket.
If you do not draw attention to yourself you will most likely be fine. I have been riding ebikes for the past 8 years and I still haven't been pulled over. Knock on wood.
If you do not draw attention to yourself you will most likely be fine. I have been riding ebikes for the past 8 years and I still haven't been pulled over. Knock on wood.
Chris Nolte
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We sell to a lot of customer in Manhattan as we are only an hour away and we advise our customers on the law. The current NY law is targeting throttle ebikes and there is a law granting permission to pedal assisted ebikes in NYC, but most are not aware of that as the media likes to boast about "electric bikes" being illegal even though it's not entirely true. I believe NYCEwheels takes a similar stance. The fact is the police are looking to target reckless delivery guys, and they're not too interested in the standard commuters and recreational riders unless they are being reckless.
Very interesting Chris, can you provide any more information or quote and cite the laws that talk about pedal assist electric bikes being legal in New York? It's awesome to hear this... Glad we've got you on the "inside" to help clarify things
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