Bike shop charging fee to upgrade mission control?

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This will be my first upgrade since buying the bike (Turbo Tero 4.0). Apparently the upgrade can only be done at the shop. Is it standard practice to charge a fee for this? If it is, then specialized should make this available over the air or free of charge.
Fee: 75$ Canadian.
 
Did you buy the bike at that shop? FYI, I'm riding 2016 model year Haibikes with Bosch power and have never had the software upgraded
 
Bought at this same shop. I think, so far, this shop has not been great. Last bike i purchased at a different shop can with 1 free full service and yearly tuneups. This other specialized dealer shop everything is a fee. Like, it is silly that this cannot be done (as an option) at home.
 
The most recent mid-November firmware upgrade for my 2022 Turbo Vado SL 5.0 EQ which included battery, motor, display, and two range extender batteries was done at my local shop for free (and I did not purchase the bike there). I was very pleased. Of course, I do all of the Mission Control upgrades on my phone myself.
 
This will be my first upgrade since buying the bike (Turbo Tero 4.0). Apparently the upgrade can only be done at the shop. Is it standard practice to charge a fee for this? If it is, then specialized should make this available over the air or free of charge.
Fee: 75$ Canadian.
The email announcing the update that I received, (the fist time I’ve ever received any notice) said that there could be a charge for the update. One dealer I went to said they’d charge $20 US. The dealer I went to included the update in an annual service job.

I agree it should be free, but…

I believe that the newest MasterMind bikes can be updated by owners.

As a retired technologist I find the ebike companies have a ways to go to be “tech cool”. I wish Specialized had designed their e-bikes tech to be upgradable as the underlying tech evolves. I’ve brought it up before in other threads. we can only hope that the major vendors, at least, are getting closer to our tech expectations.
 
This will be my first upgrade since buying the bike (Turbo Tero 4.0). Apparently the upgrade can only be done at the shop. Is it standard practice to charge a fee for this? If it is, then specialized should make this available over the air or free of charge.
Fee: 75$ Canadian.

Why should the update be free?

The shop has to invest in equipment +/- training to provide the service. Plus they have to deal with the fall out WHEN ( nor if) something goes wrong during an upgrade .

Home based upgrades? Go back 5 years and read the threads about bikes bricked when an internet or blue tooth connection dropped out during an upgrade. Whilst it's scary to think about the average bike mechanic trying to use a computer, can you imagine how much IT support is going to cost if the average user has to be talked through a failed update. That has to be covered by bike prices
 
Why should the update be free?

The shop has to invest in equipment +/- training to provide the service. Plus they have to deal with the fall out WHEN ( nor if) something goes wrong during an upgrade .

Home based upgrades? Go back 5 years and read the threads about bikes bricked when an internet or blue tooth connection dropped out during an upgrade. Whilst it's scary to think about the average bike mechanic trying to use a computer, can you imagine how much IT support is going to cost if the average user has to be talked through a failed update. That has to be covered by bike prices
I hadn’t considered the challenges of updates for the technology challenged. While I believe the concern may be overblown, you’re right to point out that neither the bike shop mechanics nor the typical user may be capable of dealing with problems during an update. And a failed update would probably brick the bike.

Good point!
 
All of the software/firmware updates on the Vado and Como have been free at my LBS, seems this varies by shop though? Past posts indicate LBS's are all over the place with this. The most recent updates to the bikes were OTA via Mission Control, so no need to go to the shop (this is the update that enables charge limit to 80%).
 
If you are asking a business to perform a service for you, then yes, I would expect a fee will be charged unless otherwise covered under some preexisting agreement.
 
If you are asking a business to perform a service for you, then yes, I would expect a fee will be charged unless otherwise covered under some preexisting agreement.
I think that this opinion is logical. I was initially stunned at the fee but will likely and reluctantly proceed.
 
The fee is on par with the hourly labor rate at my local bike shop, I'm guessing it's a standard rate for most types of service.
 
Disagree. I think it should be free. Every other piece of electronic equipment that needs updated firmware, doesn't require me to bring it to a shop and pay a fee. Phone, computer, printer. I have tons of devices in my house. I never have to bring it to a shop. If I am forced to bring it to a shop, I think the manufacturer should cover the fee.

I've seen them do it. All they do is hook the bike up to a computer usb cable and press a button. Not so hard.
 
Disagree. I think it should be free. Every other piece of electronic equipment that needs updated firmware, doesn't require me to bring it to a shop and pay a fee. Phone, computer, printer. I have tons of devices in my house. I never have to bring it to a shop. If I am forced to bring it to a shop, I think the manufacturer should cover the fee.

I've seen them do it. All they do is hook the bike up to a computer usb cable and press a button. Not so hard.
I think the issue is "who pays for it". If the bike manufacturer requires a bike shop to do it, then there is a case to be made for the manufacturer covering the bike shop's fee. But no one should be demanding that a bike shop do a service for free. If you are consuming their time and effort to solve your problem, they should be compensated for their time.
 
Why should the update be free?

The shop has to invest in equipment +/- training to provide the service. Plus they have to deal with the fall out WHEN ( nor if) something goes wrong during an upgrade .

Home based upgrades? Go back 5 years and read the threads about bikes bricked when an internet or blue tooth connection dropped out during an upgrade. Whilst it's scary to think about the average bike mechanic trying to use a computer, can you imagine how much IT support is going to cost if the average user has to be talked through a failed update. That has to be covered by bike prices
Eh, except this general pattern has been mostly worked through for ages in other devices.
Don't over-write the existing firmware, have a separate partition, the user transfers the update from phone/tablet/computer over BT or a cable. System powers up, confirms valid and complete download package, and only then initiates the update. Backup of original flash can be done on-system or to user device. Flash the update, if system check fails, revert. There are always edge cases (e.g. bricked Xbox, PS, ...), but it's a general pattern many use without issues. Why should someone be able to update their phone and tablet (and PC/Mac) operating systems AND apps, but be unable to do a much simpler bike firmware update?
 
Eh, except this general pattern has been mostly worked through for ages in other devices.
Don't over-write the existing firmware, have a separate partition, the user transfers the update from phone/tablet/computer over BT or a cable. System powers up, confirms valid and complete download package, and only then initiates the update. Backup of original flash can be done on-system or to user device. Flash the update, if system check fails, revert. There are always edge cases (e.g. bricked Xbox, PS, ...), but it's a general pattern many use without issues. Why should someone be able to update their phone and tablet (and PC/Mac) operating systems AND apps, but be unable to do a much simpler bike firmware update?

I've come back to this thread after an unsuccessful windows update on my work computer. My company has just paid for an IT contractor to waste a day unsuccessfully trying to fix a corrupted windows installation on my desktop. ( that only they touch) . Admittedly it's a slightly more complicated set up than the average consumer - desk top speaking to mainframe, files and programs on various devices +/- cloud based and remote access. But it's not rocked science!

Day 2 , we're going to be buying a fresh computer and trying again.....

Updates seem easy until they're not . But if you disagree, I'm more than happy for you to talk me through getting the latest update on my 2018 Giant ( then returning to the older software when I'm unhappy ) . I think that bike is 2 years since it was last hooked up to a computer.
 
I'm pretty sure that the Specialized app said that a bike shop might charge to update to the latest firmware on my 2021 Creo. As far as I know, it depends on the bike shop whether to charge or not. My LBS doesn't charge for firmware updates, so get I get my bikes updated whenever it's needed.
 
Eh, except this general pattern has been mostly worked through for ages in other devices.
Don't over-write the existing firmware, have a separate partition, the user transfers the update from phone/tablet/computer over BT or a cable. System powers up, confirms valid and complete download package, and only then initiates the update. Backup of original flash can be done on-system or to user device. Flash the update, if system check fails, revert. There are always edge cases (e.g. bricked Xbox, PS, ...), but it's a general pattern many use without issues. Why should someone be able to update their phone and tablet (and PC/Mac) operating systems AND apps, but be unable to do a much simpler bike firmware update?

Go take your car to it's dealer and see what they charge to plug it in...

We do software updates during service and advise folks to come in at least annually (based on riding style/mileage) to save on trips to the shop. The updates are part of the service so there isn't a line item per se. That said, super happy for shops standing up for valuing their time. Our industry struggles with that historically...blame falls on everyone's shoulders.
 
Go take your car to it's dealer and see what they charge to plug it in...

We do software updates during service and advise folks to come in at least annually (based on riding style/mileage) to save on trips to the shop. The updates are part of the service so there isn't a line item per se. That said, super happy for shops standing up for valuing their time. Our industry struggles with that historically...blame falls on everyone's shoulders.
Having worked as a mechanic forever ago, and ~100 cars later with very very few 'send it to the shop' moments, I can both relate to both sides (although moreso on the employee side), as well as say - sure, and the record industry really didn't want digital music, etc. Time to get realistic instead of expecting endless 'free money' for relatively simple things that have been solved elsewhere. I'd also say cars are a bit more complex than ebikes, making ebike motor + controller much closer to typical simple tech devices - thankfully we don't call a Phillips technician or Cisco when we update our smart lights or routers, modems, smart phones, etc.

Of course, as a business, you want to hold on to every revenue stream possible, but again, firmware updates on ebikes/controllers can absolutely use existing patterns in software/devices/IoT to make this 99% user-driven.
 
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I see a relationship here. The ones who haven't had to pay the $75 think it should be free. I haven't had to pay for any lbs updates and don't think I should, or would pay $75, unless it was something major. I thought most of the updates were just little stuff since it all should be sorted at this point. And $75 would seem a little steep for what my lbs usually takes 10 minutes to perform.
 
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