Best FS XC/Trail eMTB under 10k? Levo, Kenevo, Rail, Haibikes (too many models to narrow down)

Hmm I may have gotten the two mixed up; From what I was reading, it seems as though the Levo Comp (non alloy) had really good specs but ill check it again.

So as it stands I would say the Levo's are more of a secondary option (including the kenevo which is still kinda interesting.. idk why lol)

Are there tangible plusses and minuses to the bikes below that are able to ship within the US? including ride quality etc?

2021 Merida eOne-Sixty 9000 Carbon -10k usd​

  • Carbon frame, 150mm suspension travel - May also be able to purchase in aluminum for less
  • FOX 38 Elite eMTB+ Air 160mm suspension travel
  • FOX Float DPX2 Elite
  • Shimano XT 4 pot brakes
  • Shimano 1x12 drivetrain
  • Merida Expert TR dropper
  • Shimano EP8 85Nm w/ Shimano E8036 630Wh battery - Motor cant be unlocked which stinks

2021 Merida eOne-Sixty 8000 Carbon - 8500 usd​

  • Carbon frame, 150mm suspension travel - May also be able to purchase in aluminum for less
  • Marzocchi Z1 Ebike+ Air 160mm suspension travel
  • FOX Float DPX2 Performance
  • Shimano SLX 4 piston brakes
  • Shimano 1x12 drivetrain
  • Merida Expert TR dropper
  • Shimano EP8 85Nm w/ Shimano E8036 630Wh battery

2022 Trance X Advanced E+ 0 - 9000 usd - https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-x-advanced-eplus-0-2022

  • Frame: Advanced-grade composite frame, 140mm Maestro suspension. - worst paint job than the 7k model which looks amazing.. odd
  • Fork: Fox 36 Factory Live Valve, 150mm travel.
  • Shock: Fox Float X Factory Live Valve.
  • Motor: Yamaha SyncDrive Pro, 85Nm.
  • Battery: EnergyPak Smart 625Wh. these also have a 250wh add on pack
  • Drivetrain: Shimano XT M8100 12-speed.
  • Finishing kit: Giant Contact SL.

2022 Trance X Advanced E+ 2 - 7000 usd - https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-x-advanced-eplus-2-2022

  • Frame: Advanced-grade composite frame, 140mm Maestro suspension.
  • Fork: Fox 36 Performance, 150mm travel.
  • Shock: Fox DPS Performance.
  • Motor: Yamaha SyncDrive Pro, 85Nm.
  • Battery: EnergyPak Smart 625Wh. - these also have a 250wh add on pack
  • Drivetrain: Shimano XT M8100 12-speed.
  • Finishing kit: Giant Contact.
2022 Norco Fluid VLT A1 7000 usd - https://www.norco.com/bikes/2022/e-mountain/e-trail/fluid-vlt/fluid-a1-vlt/
  • Frame: Aluminium, 130mm Travel, Ride Aligned™
  • Fork: RockShox 35 Silver, 140mm Travel, 44mm Offset, 1.8″ Tapered, E-MTB.
  • Rear shock: RockShox Select R, Custom Tune, 210×47.5mm.
  • Rear shifter: Shimano Deore SL-M6100-R.
  • Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M6100.
  • Shimano EP8 85Nm w/ 900Wh battery
Initial thoughts; The One-Sixty 9000 seems to be the best all arounder of the bunch? However, no extended battery potential on these. Regarding the Giant's, would it be more ideal to purchase the lower model, with the nicer frame, and upgrade to the parts of the higher model or are the lower models parts suitable for "harsh" riding as is?

The Norco seems to be the second best all arounder after the One-Sixty 9000?


Other options: 2022 Levo Comp Alloy, 2022 Kenevo Expert (this bikes seems unsuitable for anything aside from extreme riding/downhill?), 2021 Moterra Neo Carbon 2, 2021 Trek Rail 9.8 XT/GX
ALL of these bikes are capable of serving well for green and blue runs. The norco fluid will struggle on black runs. The E160 starts to get lively on double black diamond but still gets through - go for the 9000 if you intend to ride anything harder. I haven't ridden the latest trance, but generally speaking trances are fine up to black, but if you regularly ride double black the range makes more sense. The trek is a very nice bike....you pay extra initially but after a couple of years they make a lot of sense. If you intend to ride native forrest rather than mtb trails, take a good long look at the trek - they cope with surprises really well.

merida e160 - playful, so if you enjoy tossing the bike around off jumps, reasonably quick yet stable steering, reasonably light - great bikes. The shimano is quiet, great low down torque, but not quiet as much high cadence support as others and this can make you lazy / use more power - you have to consciously spin to save power because it feels best around 60-70 cadence
9000 - very high spec level, you'd never need to upgrade anything
8000- high spec level, you are unlikely to need to upgrade anything ,

Trance x advanced - I haven't ridden one, sorry, but I've ridden every trance until 2021 and I still own a 2018 full e pro ( with 2020 pwx2 motor) . The yamaha motor is a bit more intrusive that the shimano ep8 - more noise, more over run, and you can feel the assistance rather than just feel like your legs are strong. It's a perfectly good motor, but if I hop from yamaha to shimano ep8 , the ep8 is nicer. The yamaha does reward higher cadence, though, so gets better range if you are willing to spin.. Giant fit higher components than others at comparable price, but in my experience you pay for it later with things like bearings not lasting as long , and a crappy dropper post - a one off frustration that is easily fixed by using better quality replacements. Factor in potentially $400 worth of parts over the first 12 months. My giant dealer is a legend, and if their bikes weren't so bloody heavy I'd still be riding giant. BUT - they are barges to ride. Long chainstays , long wheelbases, maestro rear pedals well but is a bit like riding a sponge, and heavy. Stable, but NOT playful - I find myself riding through trails rather than zipping around like a manic teenager.....Did I mention how much I love my levo sl ??

e+0 - very high level of spec, nothing to replace but do you really want to trust the fox / giant IT geeks with your suspension ( DO NOT BUY this year, give them another year to sort the bugs in that electric suspension)
e+2 - probably good enough spec for most people, and you can always upgrade that rear shock if it bothers you .

Norco fluid - the budget buy. If you are looking at norco fluid rather than sight, I'd argue the 900 wh battery is an over investment? But that's the magic of norco - if range means more to you than quality of ride you can spend $ on a bigger battery instead of better suspension. Or if you just want to play for a few hours then you can opt for a better bike with smaller battery. I personally think range extenders make more sense....ride a lighter bike most of the time but have the option of 1/2 range extenders for big trips. What concerns me with norco is they have corporate adhd , every year they significantly change direction. The 2019 sight 27.5 was a spectacular, light, playfull toy. In 2020 they went the opposite direction with the sight 29 barge. For 2022 we get this variable battery tech in what seems like a middle of the road geometry package - what does this do to resale / parts availability etc? But I like norco as a brand - they seem to bridge the gap between enthusiastic boutique mtb riders and big brand economics. Budget santa cruz? My last regular bike was a 2017 norco optic , it's served well across 2 teenage kids , and is currently being abused by my 13 yo son . I slipped the fox 34 x 150's off my levo sl into it as he started reaching the limits of 130 mm forks....hopefully he will get another years use. No 130 mm trailbike should be able to tackle double black AND pedal efficiently, but it does

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BTW , the guy I bought my levo sl from used to have a full power kenevo but was drawn to the light....he built my levo sl into a lennevo sl, then when the kenevo sl came out he transferred $10 k worth of parts to build the ultimate kenevo sl. A very special breed of owner....

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ALL of these bikes are capable of serving well for green and blue runs. The norco fluid will struggle on black runs. The E160 starts to get lively on double black diamond but still gets through - go for the 9000 if you intend to ride anything harder. I haven't ridden the latest trance, but generally speaking trances are fine up to black, but if you regularly ride double black the range makes more sense. The trek is a very nice bike....you pay extra initially but after a couple of years they make a lot of sense. If you intend to ride native forrest rather than mtb trails, take a good long look at the trek - they cope with surprises really well.

merida e160 - playful, so if you enjoy tossing the bike around off jumps, reasonably quick yet stable steering, reasonably light - great bikes. The shimano is quiet, great low down torque, but not quiet as much high cadence support as others and this can make you lazy / use more power - you have to consciously spin to save power because it feels best around 60-70 cadence
9000 - very high spec level, you'd never need to upgrade anything
8000- high spec level, you are unlikely to need to upgrade anything ,

Trance x advanced - I haven't ridden one, sorry, but I've ridden every trance until 2021 and I still own a 2018 full e pro ( with 2020 pwx2 motor) . The yamaha motor is a bit more intrusive that the shimano ep8 - more noise, more over run, and you can feel the assistance rather than just feel like your legs are strong. It's a perfectly good motor, but if I hop from yamaha to shimano ep8 , the ep8 is nicer. The yamaha does reward higher cadence, though, so gets better range if you are willing to spin.. Giant fit higher components than others at comparable price, but in my experience you pay for it later with things like bearings not lasting as long , and a crappy dropper post - a one off frustration that is easily fixed by using better quality replacements. Factor in potentially $400 worth of parts over the first 12 months. My giant dealer is a legend, and if their bikes weren't so bloody heavy I'd still be riding giant. BUT - they are barges to ride. Long chainstays , long wheelbases, maestro rear pedals well but is a bit like riding a sponge, and heavy. Stable, but NOT playful - I find myself riding through trails rather than zipping around like a manic teenager.....Did I mention how much I love my levo sl ??

e+0 - very high level of spec, nothing to replace but do you really want to trust the fox / giant IT geeks with your suspension ( DO NOT BUY this year, give them another year to sort the bugs in that electric suspension)
e+2 - probably good enough spec for most people, and you can always upgrade that rear shock if it bothers you .

Norco fluid - the budget buy. If you are looking at norco fluid rather than sight, I'd argue the 900 wh battery is an over investment? But that's the magic of norco - if range means more to you than quality of ride you can spend $ on a bigger battery instead of better suspension. Or if you just want to play for a few hours then you can opt for a better bike with smaller battery. I personally think range extenders make more sense....ride a lighter bike most of the time but have the option of 1/2 range extenders for big trips. What concerns me with norco is they have corporate adhd , every year they significantly change direction. The 2019 sight 27.5 was a spectacular, light, playfull toy. In 2020 they went the opposite direction with the sight 29 barge. For 2022 we get this variable battery tech in what seems like a middle of the road geometry package - what does this do to resale / parts availability etc? But I like norco as a brand - they seem to bridge the gap between enthusiastic boutique mtb riders and big brand economics. Budget santa cruz? My last regular bike was a 2017 norco optic , it's served well across 2 teenage kids , and is currently being abused by my 13 yo son . I slipped the fox 34 x 150's off my levo sl into it as he started reaching the limits of 130 mm forks....hopefully he will get another years use. No 130 mm trailbike should be able to tackle double black AND pedal efficiently, but it does

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Thank you so much for the INDEPTH perspectives! Any thoughts on the Norco Sight vs the Merida or Trances? The only issue with these seems to be the longer chainstays?
 
Thank you so much for the INDEPTH perspectives! Any thoughts on the Norco Sight vs the Merida or Trances? The only issue with these seems to be the longer chainstays?

That comes down to your preferences on play vs stability, and how your riding style suits the different motors. All great bikes, choose the shop ?
 
That comes down to your preferences on play vs stability, and how your riding style suits the different motors. All great bikes, choose the shop ?
Ok, ill have to think on this aspect; any issues with used bikes? There's a seemingly well maintained 2021 Trek XTR for sale that may be an option as well
 
Ok, ill have to think on this aspect; any issues with used bikes? There's a seemingly well maintained 2021 Trek XTR for sale that may be an option as well

every brand has different warranty terms used , eg giant has zero transferable warranty, specialized you keep the 2 years but loose lifetime frame warranty. I think trek has lufetime wheel warranty that the second owner loses? You need to research - and be certain the original owner hasn't de restricted the bike!
 
every brand has different warranty terms used , eg giant has zero transferable warranty, specialized you keep the 2 years but loose lifetime frame warranty. I think trek has lufetime wheel warranty that the second owner loses? You need to research - and be certain the original owner hasn't de restricted the bike!
Ahh very good point; thanks!
 
Thank you for the video, it provided a bit of clarity on the EP8. At first it sounded like the EP8 was a step backwards, and then it began to shine around the 5min mark lol. It seems as though the Bosch is towards the bottom of the rung actually which is odd because its so prevalent. I'm curious where the Yamaha SyncDrive Pro's exist in the rankings
What I take away from that video is that those are all good motors and systems. The Yamaha / Giant system which is not mentioned in that particular video is also good, as is the Brose . Here is a link to all of his videos. https://www.youtube.com/c/EMTBVideos
 
What I take away from that video is that those are all good motors and systems. The Yamaha / Giant system which is not mentioned in that particular video is also good, as is the Brose . Here is a link to all of his videos. https://www.youtube.com/c/EMTBVideos
Yeah this guy is a really strong, objective reviewer; I just watched his video on the direct compare between the Shimano EP8 vs the Bosch, which was interesting, since the EP8 seems to come in low on everyones power meters
 
Yeah this guy is a really strong, objective reviewer; I just watched his video on the direct compare between the Shimano EP8 vs the Bosch, which was interesting, since the EP8 seems to come in low on everyones power meters
I've never ridden a Levo, a Shimano or a Bosch e-bike but there is an interesting fact about Giant/Yamaha motors. These support the "Zero Cadence" concept. As soon as you have rested your foot on the pedal, the motor gets activated. With the granny gear and in the POWER mode, it is easy to do a wheelie! I liked "Zero Cadence" in my Trance E+: I could always start climbing even under the most difficult situations! I only had to throw my body weight onto the bars to avoid a wheelie.
 
I have the 2019 Norco Sight VLT and it is an absolute blast to ride. But as mentioned they changed it in previous years and it's not the same bike.
Yeah it looks like they took a few steps back for some reason with the 2022's.. huge chainstays, 29er only, more stable than punchy :/
 
@Gee_Whiz: Now, I have had a recollection. The Trance E+ I was using got derestricted early. I have never been riding it really fast on roads, as the majority of my trips on that e-MTB were off-road related. When my brother "inherited" that e-bike, he started commuting on the Trance. On one of his first commutes, he removed any speed limit from the e-bike, and enthusiastically zoomed to work at high speed (only limited by the gearing and his own cadence). Just to find out he had to return from work on pedal power only! He forgot the fundamental law of physics: riding twice as fast demands eight times more power to move! Now, he's setting the restrictor to... guess what? 32 km/h or 20 mph, or Class 1. He's found that speed is letting him get to work quickly enough and is economical for the battery.
 
@Gee_Whiz: Now, I have had a recollection. The Trance E+ I was using got derestricted early. I have never been riding it really fast on roads, as the majority of my trips on that e-MTB were off-road related. When my brother "inherited" that e-bike, he started commuting on the Trance. On one of his first commutes, he removed any speed limit from the e-bike, and enthusiastically zoomed to work at high speed (only limited by the gearing and his own cadence). Just to find out he had to return from work on pedal power only! He forgot the fundamental law of physics: riding twice as fast demands eight times more power to move! Now, he's setting the restrictor to... guess what? 32 km/h or 20 mph, or Class 1. He's found that speed is letting him get to work quickly enough and is economical for the battery.
That is why I almost always carry extra batteries. The extra power is always worth the extra weight except on technical trails. The problem arises when I want to ride to a distant mountain biking area I that will need the extra battery to get home, but then there is nowhere I can securely store it until I finish the technical parts. The obvious solution is a non starter for me because I hate driving and refuse to use the car to go mountain biking . I believe that some of the the new Norco bikes can accept larger capacity range extender Shimano batteries like this BMZ900W? https://www.capsbicycleshop.com/product/norco-bmz-900w-bike-battery-16919.htm
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That is why I almost always carry extra batteries. The extra power is always worth the extra weight except on technical trails.
I'm fully with you on that point, Steve! The Trance E+ I gave to Jacek has a 500 and a 625 Wh battery. Yes, he rotates them but he is stubborn and wants to ride light :)

Once, we set off for a long and demanding mountain road ride. I begged him to take a spare battery with him, which he did. Post-ride, the smiled at me and said: "That was the last time I took a spare battery on a ride" :) But he is as strong as he actually might be just riding a traditional bike...
 
I'm fully with you on that point, Steve! The Trance E+ I gave to Jacek has a 500 and a 625 Wh battery. Yes, he rotates them but he is stubborn and wants to ride light :)

Once, we set off for a long and demanding mountain road ride. I begged him to take a spare battery with him, which he did. Post-ride, the smiled at me and said: "That was the last time I took a spare battery on a ride" :) But he is as strong as he actually might be just riding a traditional bike...
Yeah I would rather be young and strong like that, but until I find the fountain of youth I will have a second helping of battery power please.
 
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