Are Womens' Cycling Competitions Wrecked?

Mr. Coffee said:
And we shouldn't forget that there are a lot of sports (e.g. gymnastics, sport rock climbing, ultra running) where it is unclear that men have a significant advantage or any advantage at all.
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So why not just put every "gender" into the same competitions?
Because there are phsyical differences and it is unfair and dangerous to women to pretend there are not. Mentally well normal adult people know this.
 
Biological male destroys womens swimming records. Never before heard of all-round total destruction. No hope for any female swimmer ever again to be even near the best..
 
When my dad first started teaching he also coached high school basketball. This would have been the 1950’s Iowa. There was a nearby small college that a pretty good woman’s team. The college woman’s coach challenged my fathers high school boys team to a scrimmage game saying her girls team would win easily. The boys team destroyed them. My dad said they were just so much quicker, faster, better jumpers. It’s just not fair for that kind of competition to be taking place.
 
What strange times we live in.

The simplest solution is to go back to XX and XY parameters to determine which team a person is allowed on.

A far more cumbersome system could be worked out, with some success. I used to race sailboats. There are literally dozens of boat brands and many custom one-off racing yachts. Those wanting to race each other hundreds of years ago faced a similar dilemma. How to determine that a sailor's skill won the race and not the boat design? One solution was to insist of identical boats, made by a single vendor, and there are lots of races of that type every summer.

But another solution was to take ANY boat and give it a "handicap." The engineers would carefully measure dozens of key parameters and after running lots of calculations they would determine how fast it should be in theory. Then that boat could race against other, completely different, boats, and after adjusting the finish times based on handicap the winner could be declared.

So if a male wants to compete against a female, great. But his finish time will have to be adjusted in order to be "fair." To fail to do this is to deny logic.

In this past week, a male Penn swimmer is winning everything? The female competitors should simply refuse to leave the starting block. Otherwise, what's the point?
 
Transwomen use testosterone blockers and female hormones which will level the playing field which is especially true now that it's being diagnosed much earlier than in the past. In those cases the damaging effects of puberty are being blocked. Eventually this will become a non issue.
 
Handlebars said:
uhhhh...right. "damaging effects of puberty" is a demonstration of the heights of medical science achieved.
"which will level the playing field" That's a ridiculous claim - it's false.
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Hmmm. Well here in Maine there was well published case of identical twin boys where one was was transgender. She was treated before hormones had a negative effect on her body. Today she is a lovely young woman and an actress. She is several inches shorter than her twin brother. Are you suggesting that her treatment still left her with the athletic strength as her brother?

"Tampering with children’s sexuality is considered pedophilia in a vast majority of the world." I guess the Taliban might think so but fortunately in America we don't force people whose gender does not match their sex to suffer through life that way.
 
Gordon71 said:
Hmmm. Well here in Maine there was well published case of identical twin boys where one was was transgender. She was treated before hormones had a negative effect on her body. Today she is a lovely young woman and an actress. She is several inches shorter than her twin brother. Are you suggesting that her treatment still left her with the athletic strength as her brother?

"Tampering with children’s sexuality is considered pedophilia in a vast majority of the world." I guess the Taliban might think so but fortunately in America we don't force people whose gender does not match their sex to suffer through life that way.
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"identical twin boys where one was was transgender."
Transgender, how? In what way and under what metrics?

She is several inches shorter than her twin brother. Are you suggesting that her treatment still left her with the athletic strength as her brother?
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No. For starters, I don't know anything about her brother's condition or hers. Why would I make a statement as stupid as you want it to be?
 
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I mean, you could ask a reasonable question, couldn't you?
You could ask if I think that twin probably has less strength than that twin would have had without the hormone treatments. "Yes".
 
Gordon71 said:
Hmmm. Well here in Maine there was well published case of identical twin boys where one was was transgender. She was treated before hormones had a negative effect on her body. Today she is a lovely young woman and an actress. She is several inches shorter than her twin brother. Are you suggesting that her treatment still left her with the athletic strength as her brother?

"Tampering with children’s sexuality is considered pedophilia in a vast majority of the world." I guess the Taliban might think so but fortunately in America we don't force people whose gender does not match their sex to suffer through life that way.
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Perhaps in Maine you’ve just gone over the edge. It’s easy to see you’re heading in the same direction as another group of Socialist Democrats - Hitler’s Nazis.
 
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