Anyone ever heard of Honeywell eBikes?

[FrankR]

I came across Honeywell eBikes. Anyone know anything about them? Is this the U.S. company, or, is this a Chinese company using the name until caught?

The Dasher eBike they have looks interesting, actually.

For a brand with so few eBike models at this time, they actually have one of the better Parts sections of the website.

 

[m@Robertson]

They are using the logos and the whole bit. Scroll down. At the bottom of the web site:

© 2022, Raze Outdoors LLC. All rights reserved.
The Honeywell Trademark is used under license from Honeywell International Inc.
Honeywell International Inc. makes no representations or warranties with respect to these products.

 

[FrankR]

So, do you mean, that is another completely separate company from Honeywell, licensing their brand?

 

[m@Robertson]

thats what it says. Whether the licensing is real or not I couldn't tell you. Before I sent them Dime One I would do some further digging.

 

[FrankR]

Interesting. That Dasher frame design is interesting. And it's light.

 

[BlackHand]

Frank, if you're looking for a larger, established company vs an importer/reseller I don't think Honeywell is it.
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[FrankR]

Yes, I know.

 

[Jason Knight]

They are using the logos and the whole bit. Scroll down. At the bottom of the web site:

© 2022, Raze Outdoors LLC. All rights reserved.
The Honeywell Trademark is used under license from Honeywell International Inc.
Honeywell International Inc. makes no representations or warranties with respect to these products.

Honeywell doesn't actually make anything anymore. They're an IP holding division of GE. Kind of like how SCO operates. They license their trademarks and intellectual properties to other companies for brand recognition, flying their banner atop it. Even their own "new facilities" are actually not run by "Honeywell" but by General Electric.

The old marketing scam known as self-competing.

And they're litigious bastards as they're also "patent trolls". They are not the company we all knew 40 years ago.

 

[retiredNH]

Honeywell doesn't actually make anything anymore. They're an IP holding division of GE. Kind of like how SCO operates. They license their trademarks and intellectual properties to other companies for brand recognition, flying their banner atop it. Even their own "new facilities" are actually not run by "Honeywell" but by General Electric.

The old marketing scam known as self-competing.

And they're litigious bastards as they're also "patent trolls". They are not the company we all knew 40 years ago.

Really? Tell that to Honeywell....
The proposed GE merger fell through years ago! Instead, AlliedSignal acquired Honeywell in 1999. There have been spinoffs of various parts over the years too. https://www.honeywell.com/us/en/company/our-history

 

[Jason Knight]

Really? Tell that to Honeywell....
The proposed GE merger fell through years ago! Instead, AlliedSignal acquired Honeywell in 1999.

AlliedSignal was before the GE acquisition attempt. Which I admit I got wrong. I thought it went through, when turns out the US DoJ gave the nod, and then the EU said "no". I thought they said "Screw Europe" and went ahead anyways like a lot of other companies did at that time. And continue to do.

My bad.

Still, they're an IP shell and patent troll. Which is why they continue to swallow up anyone with an IP they can license out. Kind of like how Topps is a shell of their former selves.

 

[retiredNH]

AlliedSignal was before the GE acquisition attempt. Which I admit I got wrong. I thought it went through, when turns out the US DoJ gave the nod, and then the EU said "no". I thought they said "Screw Europe" and went ahead anyways like a lot of other companies did at that time. And continue to do.

My bad.

Still, they're an IP shell and patent troll. Which is why they continue to swallow up anyone with an IP they can license out. Kind of like how Topps is a shell of their former selves.

Completely agree, and it's unfortunate. Many a brand name (Polaroid, RCA for example) has been bought up, just the name, and used on all sorts of trash. In the financial world, it's sometimes called milking brand equity, "brand equity" being the value naïve consumers associate with the name, the brand, itself.

If you're my age, well past retirement age, you can walk through Walmart and see many examples of this, names that once denoted quality now attached to mediocre products. Porter Cable tools and Farberware and Corning kitchen products are examples. Buyer beware.

 

[Jason Knight]

If you're my age, well past retirement age, you can walk through Walmart and see many examples of this, names that once denoted quality now attached to mediocre products. Porter Cable tools and Farberware and Corning kitchen products are examples. Buyer beware.

My favorite example of this is how you can now buy Perrier at the dollar store.

Though Pyrex is a close second, since they no longer use borosilicate glass meaning it's no longer thermal shock resistant. It's just lime-soda glass now so if you think you're gonna safely cook in the oven with a Pyrex bowl, or microwave water in a Pyrex measuring cup, forget it and go buy something made by Anchor. Hell, Amazon Basics has actual borosilicate bowls. Same stupidity for Corningware, which is hardly a shock since they're the ones who own Pyrex now.

As I found out when I had a newer large "pyrex" bowl shatter under the weight of a real one rested inside it inside my cabinet. It basically exploded at a room temp of around 62F.

Brand milking is painfully common, and it's scary how many once trustworthy brands have fallen from grace. Made all the screwier by how once great brands will -- like Honeywell -- just let you slap their name on your product for a nice slice of the pie.