Another ebike description of thieving Surron riders

I keep all my batteries in a brick garden shed or a barbecue in the garden.
Dont trust any of them, the battering they get on the bike, at least I take the cheaper ones apart now and then and can check the condition.
 
We really need to address this issue before it spirals into a blanket ban, it doesnt matter how well built your battery is, people will start to reject all electric propulsionand it could easily spread to all rechargeable devices.

It's the daily mail. Muckraking, rumor mill and yellow journalism is their stock and trade. They are so bad, Wikipedia banned them in 2017.


People aren't giving these media sources the credence they once did. Real information is easily available from organizations like UL, UL-EU, CE and the various nation states' consumer product safety organizations.
 
I dont just ignore a media source because of their reputation, the doctors involved did express these concerns and the mail has a huge following, dwarfing most media outlets, so that is going to be the word on the street.
Asking Bing if the mail is credible is gorgeously ironic.
 
The number of injuries & deaths caused by battery fires falls into nothingness when compared to those caused by smoking in bed. Both are caused by human misuse or carelessness but the press just wants to vilify lithium batteries.
 
Thers no point in complaining about the press, everyone is listening to them and not listening to us.
They are running a hit job on electric bikes and unfortunately houses burning down gives them quite a bit of credibility.
We might squeal its cheap bikes, 90% of people dont care.
All media presents biased nonsense, people just think their 'side' doesnt.
This attack is coming from across the board.
 
<< All media presents biased nonsense, people just think their 'side' doesnt. >>

Respectfully, no. Some media is definitely more reliable and less biased than others.

Also, many of us believe there are no 'sides,' that this is a fiction promoted deliberately by one faction (not 'both,' not others) to encourage citizens to fight with each other because conflict generates news, which is good for the less scrupulous media outlets, and also provides a more favorable business environment for some industries.
 
Also, many of us believe there are no 'sides,' that this is a fiction promoted deliberately by one faction (not 'both,' not others) to encourage citizens to fight with each other because conflict generates news, which is good for the less scrupulous media outlets, and also provides a more favorable business environment for some industries.
Actually the rot has been driven by a certain brand of journalism that became entrenched in the Untied States in the 1970s and that's pretty much how journalists work now. They structured the stories they told where there were always two opposing sides, and journalists behaved as dispassionate moderators of their debates. This breaks badly because not all news items really have two sides. And people can (and do) take advantage of that approach to make absolutely absurd and toxic ideas seem legitimate.

Modern journalism also is dysfunctional when trying to communicate anything about a technical or scientific issue.
 
Actually the rot has been driven by a certain brand of journalism that became entrenched in the Untied States in the 1970s and that's pretty much how journalists work now. They structured the stories they told where there were always two opposing sides, and journalists behaved as dispassionate moderators of their debates. This breaks badly because not all news items really have two sides. And people can (and do) take advantage of that approach to make absolutely absurd and toxic ideas seem legitimate.

Modern journalism also is dysfunctional when trying to communicate anything about a technical or scientific issue.
I can see why you might say that; I don't think that's unfair. I do think news was a lot better in the Walter Cronkite era, and the early to mid '70s; I actually thought it started getting worse in the early '80s, but we may be talking about the same general thing, and I certainly agree about the science. I think we tried harder with the science in the '70s.

Print news was, at times, pretty bad going back to the late 19th and early 20th century at last. There were certainly plenty of terrible newspapers that printed a lot of crazy stuff. What was different was that it was easier to tell the tabloid pap from real news.

I remember when I was in college, in 1978, the Weekly World News was always a source of wild and bizarre stories. I did buy it sometimes for entertainment, and I remembered being puzzled-- and often amused-- by the way the headlines were written. One stunning one was: "Businessman Goes Berserk, Kills 2, Self."

I felt bad for the victims-- if it was a real story, which was always in doubt-- but curious about the grammar. Why no conjunctions or prepositions?

This situation was particularly confusing when my friends and I happened to be in a remote hacienda a few hours from Caracas in Venezuela later that same year, 1978. The English Language newspaper which arrived in the morning (come to think of it, I have no idea how it got there, we were in the middle of nowhere) had a headline that read: "Cult Massacre, Survivors Face Piranhas, Eels."

We laughed, thinking the paper must be some sensationalist tabloid-- the translation wasn't always great-- and we were not at all sure the story was true, or if it was, we figured it was probably exaggerated wildly based on some weird local event. We had no idea it was a national story, or that nearly a thousand people had died. So in that situation, the fact that we couldn't tell tabloid from real news seemed unique and remarkable, while it seems commonplace today.
 
News from London.
Just yesterday, my girlfriend @Brix spotted a very act of stealing a smartphone by a masked bandit riding a "Chinese junk". It happened at Elephant and Castle, a busy area. Brix herself rather keeps a book in her hand, and is really vigilant when she needs to use the phone outside.

Something has to be done and I am afraid it might affect the e-bike community in whole.
 
I may be showing my ignorance here, but what do these thieves do with stolen smartphones?
I don't know about other brands, or how it works in other countries, but here in the US, my Apple iPhone uses a passcode and or face id to unlock it. After 10 incorrect passcode entries, the phone is permanently bricked. This makes these phones useless for resale.

Do Europeans not use passcodes or face id's on their phones?
Have thieves found a way to hack these security features?
Do thieves just take a chance that the stolen phone has no security enabled?
Unless the phone is turned off, it's location can be tracked. As soon as it's turned on again by the thief or an unsuspecting buyer, it can be located.
Yes, a thief can remove the simm card and "wipe" the phone but they first need to get past the phone's security features.

I can see a market if the phones are disassembled for parts, but would that alone explain the high number of thefts?
 
News from London.
Just yesterday, my girlfriend @Brix spotted a very act of stealing a smartphone by a masked bandit riding a "Chinese junk". It happened at Elephant and Castle, a busy area. Brix herself rather keeps a book in her hand, and is really vigilant when she needs to use the phone outside.

Something has to be done and I am afraid it might affect the e-bike community in whole.
Hold your horses! How are phones being stolen by thieves from a Chinese Junk?!

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I agree, this is bad for ebike's reputation. I don't know how the narrative can be changed from calling these motorbikes, ebikes. What happened to truth in advertising laws? It was the makers and sellers calling them ebikes, the media just followed the narrative created by them.
 
I agree these Surron's are a danger to the legitimate e-bike industry.

Maybe they should start marketing them as "Getaway Vehicles" instead of e-bikes. 😄
 
I agree, this is bad for ebike's reputation. I don't know how the narrative can be changed from calling these motorbikes, ebikes. What happened to truth in advertising laws? It was the makers and sellers calling them ebikes, the media just followed the narrative created by them.
Totally agree. Exploitable confusion was guaranteed the moment that "electric bicycle' was shortened to "ebike". Few would call a Surron a bicycle on looks alone, but "bike" has refered to nearly any two-wheeled vehicle for as long as I can remember. A Surron looks like a dirt bike of the motorcycle kind, and it's electric, so no stretch calling it an ebike.

Few I talk to — including other ebike owners — understand that an electric bicycle is a legal entity with specific restrictions and privileges — including varying degrees of legal bike lane, MUP, and trail access. The idea that a Surron doesn't qualify — and that a Surron rider actually needs a driver's license and registration to operate on public streets — comes as a complete surprise.
 
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Totally agree. Exploitable confusion was guaranteed the moment that "electric bicycle' was shortened to "ebike". Few would call a Surron a bicycle on looks alone, but "bike" has refered to nearly any two-wheeled vehicle for as long as I can remember.
That's a nuance I hadn't thought of. Way back in the mists of time, a lot of people called ebikes "low speed electric bicycle". What a mouthful. No one considered the ramifications of omitting the word bicycle. I can't tell you how many times I referred to my 900-pound touring motorcycle as "my bike". I guess I should ride that bike on the local MUP! ;)
 
I may be showing my ignorance here, but what do these thieves do with stolen smartphones?
I don't know about other brands, or how it works in other countries, but here in the US, my Apple iPhone uses a passcode and or face id to unlock it. After 10 incorrect passcode entries, the phone is permanently bricked. This makes these phones useless for resale.

Do Europeans not use passcodes or face id's on their phones?
Have thieves found a way to hack these security features?
Do thieves just take a chance that the stolen phone has no security enabled?
Unless the phone is turned off, it's location can be tracked. As soon as it's turned on again by the thief or an unsuspecting buyer, it can be located.
Yes, a thief can remove the simm card and "wipe" the phone but they first need to get past the phone's security features.

I can see a market if the phones are disassembled for parts, but would that alone explain the high number of thefts?
There are softwares available to unlock devices.
 
Interesting, they end up in Asia and various warzones, when they are difficult to hack the thieves use social engineering or information in a phone wallet sleeve or sim card to obtain personal details and threaten the owners to hand over the lock code, owners have even been sent pictures of their kids that were in the phone sleeve wallet, with 'we know where you live'.

Lovely world innit.


I dont use an ipoon, so this complicated list of things to do and not do is beyond me.

Technology is leaving the ordinary joe behind and a war of attrition is going on behind your tech devices trying to block a bazillion attacks a second.

My friend Brain has his entire pension on a phone app, Im like...nope.
 
My friend Brain has his entire pension on a phone app, Im like...nope.
More than one way to lose it via technology.

James Howells, an IT engineer from Newport, is suing Newport City Council in the United Kingdom for 495 million British pounds (around $647 million) in damages after accidentally discarding a hard drive containing 8,000 Bitcoin.


And there's talk of doing away with cash.
 
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