A Different Thread ... from the "mask or not" when riding thread

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I've still to find the article with a visualization of the spike and the HIV clamp and its stated purpose.

 

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Semantics are very very important.
Now we can see that according to media report, stabilization refers to the team's efforts.

 

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Here is the actual team purporting to explain and graphically show the work they do. They do not mention the HIV parts they will be using. Here they say the clamps stabilize the viral spikes, though they do NOT say it is stabilization against degradation. I think this fits with the report that I saw earlier, that it is stabilization of the spike position for cell entry.

Partnership to supercharge vaccine production

Vaccines to stop the world’s next epidemic could be developed in record time under a $14.7 million partnership using technology developed at The University of Queensland.

www.uq.edu.au

 

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Here is a more detailed explanation from team and from another researcher:
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"On its own, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is unstable. It needs to be 'locked' into shape to ensure that the vaccine is inducing the right immune response to the COVID-19 virus if someone is exposed," Professor Young said.

"That's achieved with a molecular clamp."

The clamp technology, pioneered and patented by the UQ team back in 2018, uses two fragments of a protein known as glycoprotein 41 (gp41), which is found in the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) but is not able to infect people or replicate.

On its own, gp41 is harmless. But adding it to the coronavirus spike protein helps to stabilise the key part of the virus so that the immune system can recognise it, said virologist Adam Taylor.

"There is a particular way the [spike] protein folds when it's about to attach to the calls and start an infection … which is thought to produce a better antibody response," said Dr Taylor of the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"So the molecular clamp is like a bulldog clip — it holds the protein in that folded shape … and gives our immune system the best chance of producing a protective response."

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So this sounds as if their vaccine is not an mRNA "vaccine". It sounds like they are saying it is a regular vaccine, they just inject the SARS CoV 2 spike and want it kept together in a certain shape.

However, there is a portion that doesn't sound good...the "But".

On its own, gp41 is harmless. But adding it to the coronavirus spike protein ...

 

[voidedwarranty]

Semantics are very very important.

Sometimes, yes maybe semantics are important but I'm sticking with my original stance regarding this specific scenario. There is no meaningful misdirection or lie by using a general statement of HIV being used to "stabilize" the vaccine. The lack of specifics does not inherently make it a lie, nor would I even qualify it as a lie by omission. Simply put, for the everyday person reading an article with this wording still gets all the important facts regarding why a patient tested positive for HIV after getting an experimental Covid vaccine.

If it produced antibodies to HIV, is it a useful anti-HIV therapy or preventative?

The question does arise, though, as to why it was used at all, since SARS CoV 2 spikes seem perfectly able to attach to cells. And if that's all it takes to produce antibodies to fight covid, why not simply use SARS CoV 2 spike parts as vaccine?

These are great questions, but don't expect a meaningful answer from me. These are questions suited for an expert.

I am taking issue with the media reporting but much more problematic is health officials. Doubt the reporters are even capable of slanting it more than they are told.

My take aligns with yours for the most part. Reporters are there to get the story. This story being why did these people test positive for HIV. They (reporters) are not expected to be experts on everything they are reporting. Get the story to print and move on to the next one. If a health official says the fragments are used to stabilize the vaccine, that's what they write and I'd venture a guess that more than half would not ask a follow-up to elaborate on "stabilization". That in my eyes doesn't make the story wrong. The health officials should also be able to determine what is the simplest form of the story to make it easily understandable by a wide variety of the public. Still, in this instance I don't believe this is wrong.

At BMW we have cars that set check engine lights and are fixed with software reprogramming. I don't get in to the specific details of what and why when I tell the customer their car just needed a software fix. Otherwise I'm there for 30 minutes explaining cold start logic, air/fuel ratios, and oil contamination. No I don't have time for that. The simple route is to say, "your car had a fault that we fixed with a software reprogram." Doesn't make it wrong even if I left out the full story.

I will say the last few posts in which you linked to more detailed reports were much better and more interesting to read. I still don't think it makes the short answer articles wrong or even misleading.

Pfizer has stated they intend to use their breakthroughs with the mRNA to work on HIV/AIDS vaccines and treatments so that may answer part of one of your questions from earlier.

 

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Semantics are very very important.

Sometimes, yes maybe semantics are important but I'm sticking with my original stance regarding this specific scenario. There is no meaningful misdirection or lie by using a general statement of HIV being used to "stabilize" the vaccine.

And who said that that simple statement does mean there is a lie?
If I didn't, then what is your new statement about?

The lack of specifics does not inherently make it a lie, nor would I even qualify it as a lie by omission. Simply put, for the everyday person reading an article with this wording still gets all the important facts regarding why a patient tested positive for HIV after getting an experimental Covid vaccine.

Mostly wrong. They say "false positive". It is not a false positive to the test. It is a positive to the test...which does not mean they have an HIV infection. They did in fact test positive for what the test tests for, e.g. HIV antibodies. They tested positive.
They just needed to spin that, so they did.

If it produced antibodies to HIV, is it a useful anti-HIV therapy or preventative?

The question does arise, though, as to why it was used at all, since SARS CoV 2 spikes seem perfectly able to attach to cells. And if that's all it takes to produce antibodies to fight covid, why not simply use SARS CoV 2 spike parts as vaccine?

These are great questions, but don't expect a meaningful answer from me. These are questions suited for an expert.

I've already provided the answer given.

I am taking issue with the media reporting but much more problematic is health officials. Doubt the reporters are even capable of slanting it more than they are told.

My take aligns with yours for the most part. Reporters are there to get the story. This story being why did these people test positive for HIV. They (reporters) are not expected to be experts on everything they are reporting. Get the story to print and move on to the next one. If a health official says the fragments are used to stabilize the vaccine, that's what they write and I'd venture a guess that more than half would not ask a follow-up to elaborate on "stabilization". That in my eyes doesn't make the story wrong. The health officials should also be able to determine what is the simplest form of the story to make it easily understandable by a wide variety of the public. Still, in this instance I don't believe this is wrong.

At BMW we have cars that set check engine lights and are fixed with software reprogramming. I don't get in to the specific details of what and why when I tell the customer their car just needed a software fix. Otherwise I'm there for 30 minutes explaining cold start logic, air/fuel ratios, and oil contamination. No I don't have time for that. The simple route is to say, "your car had a fault that we fixed with a software reprogram." Doesn't make it wrong even if I left out the full story.

I will say the last few posts in which you linked to more detailed reports were much better and more interesting to read. I still don't think it makes the short answer articles wrong or even misleading.

Pfizer has stated they intend to use their breakthroughs with the mRNA to work on HIV/AIDS vaccines and treatments so that may answer part of one of your questions from earlier.

Anything can be that way and you don't have time. These people however, are paid to spend all their time explaining, so the job they are doing is lousy.

Health officials are those now responsible. Unelected political appointees are in charge now. And their marching orders are that science demands lockdowns except for major box stores, and let's have curfews - so you are to get out of their sight. And you will take whatever vaccines these louts demand or you will suffer from various of their punishing alternatives.

Your analogy doesn't fit well. You don't get to indirectly enact life changing punishment of people who disagree or demand more complete answers or more careful work from you if you were sloppy, before they give payment.

 

[voidedwarranty]

Ok I see where this is going now and I have no interest in continuing this conversation. If you have a problem with the way things are run you can:

1. Move somewhere that aligns with your beliefs
2. Vote for people who share your beliefs to enact the policies you believe in (just know that your beliefs may not in most cases be in the majority opinion.)

 

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Ok I see where this is going now and I have no interest in continuing this conversation. If you have a problem with the way things are run you can:

1. Move somewhere that aligns with your beliefs
2. Vote for people who share your beliefs to enact the policies you believe in (just know that your beliefs may not in most cases be in the majority opinion.)

Thanks for your input, voidedwarranty.
1. No, it is a global move.
2. They have all turned tail and don't answer the pertinent questions, as they all cheat the rules they make. All of them from the Prime Minister to the provincial Premiers ( ours attended a wealthy people wedding - many people, no distancing, no masks at all) to the City Medical Officers, all caught cheating and some repeatedly. Not one has ever faced a fine or jail.
None have been charged or fined ( $1200 to $1,000,000) they impose and threaten the public with, like they did to the old man fined $1200 for taking the dog out in his apt. parking lot to poop.
Example:

Ford, under fire for attending wedding, wants police to crack down on prohibited parties

Premier Doug Ford wants police to lay charges agaisnt people holding large gatherings, as he himself is facing some criticism for attending an MPP's wedding.

toronto.citynews.ca