50nm mid drive vs 50nm hub drive

Where was this location? I want to do it!
The top picture was taken from Rowena Crest viewpoint in Oregon, between Mosier and The Dalles in the Columbia River Gorge. Beautiful area to ride, some spots are car free but because of I-84 in some areas you just need to ignore the traffic noise.
Second picture was on a ride up Mt. Lemon in Arizona.
Third picture was in Zion NP on the main road.
All were rides I did in 2020

Here is a picture from a 3 day 175 mile "Old West Scenic Bikeway" route I rode last summer in eastern Oregon.
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The top picture was taken from Rowena Crest viewpoint in Oregon, between Mosier and The Dalles in the Columbia River Gorge.
Beautiful area to ride, some spots are car free but because of I-84 in some areas you just need to ignore the traffic noise.
Second picture was on a ride up Mt. Lemon in Arizona.
Third picture was in Zion NP on the main road.
All were rides I did in 2020

Here is a picture from a 3 day 175 mile "Old West Scenic Bikeway" route I rode last summer in eastern Oregon.View attachment 76105
Nice areas to ride in the mountains!
Looks like you have a BH Gravel-X with the Yamaha PW mid-drive... a perfect bike for your region.
 
sorry for my ignorance, but what's ICE motorcycle?😑

Anyways, that's my point too, torque doesn't mean anything. (or torque doesn't mean everything)
If that's the case, you can't say 50nm ebike is weaker than 150nm ebike for hill climbing and hauling things.

So, maybe as you suggested, maybe horsepower is what counts.

Simply put, 400 lb motorcycle with mere 50nm of torque is a lot faster and stronger than 60 lb ebikes with 160nm of torque.
i saw one of the Ariel Rider owners try to put 80nm of torque on a nylon Hub motor gear and the gear just shredded like butter, he even said no way these E-Bike motors are pushing the advertised torque when the components cant even handle the stress.
 
i saw one of the Ariel Rider owners try to put 80nm of torque on a nylon Hub motor gear and the gear just shredded like butter, he even said no way these E-Bike motors are pushing the advertised torque when the components cant even handle the stress.
First thought here would be that torque would be spread evenly across 3 gears.....
 
First thought here would be that torque would be spread evenly across 3 gears.....
i had a similar thought but the guy doing the test is an engineer and im not so......
maybe he is full of BS who knows?
 
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i had a similar thought but the guy doing the test is an engineer and im not so......
maybe he is full of BS who knows?
I think the question would be is how did he apply the test to make that claim. What process did he do? What was his criteria? How did he implement the test? Can others replicate his test and get the same result? I have seen many of so called claims but few have shared how they measured it! Coming in late to the game on this discussion
 
I think the question would be is how did he apply the test to make that claim. What process did he do? What was his criteria? How did he implement the test? Can others replicate his test and get the same result? I have seen many of so called claims but few have shared how they measured it! Coming in late to the game on this discussion
like i said im no engineer im a truck driver lol so who knows if he is correct or not but around 1:20 he mentions companies hyping up torque ratings, i also dont know this tool he is using and how accurate it is
 
IMHO it's "experts" like this one that caused Bafang to retool the (quiet) plastic gear originally used in the Ultra's, to steel (way nosier). This despite the fact that there had been no failures of the plastic gear, and the BBSHD, with plastic gear and similar power, had not proven to be an issue.
 
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