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2020 -Top 10 Ebikes With The Bafang G510 Ultra
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ElevenAD
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750watt Ultra, whats the point if your going to neuter it? i hope they have a code that lets you change this. Has anyone around here received one of these yet?
Rykmann
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I purchased an ASB-EB-31 from the Suzhou Ansbern Sports Co., Ltd.
Bafang G510 Ultra Max Mid Motor 1000W
48V 17ah Samsun Cell
Gates CDX Belt
Sturmey-Archer RSX-RK5 5 speed internal gear hub. (IGH)
BE WARNED: STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY!
Here’s why.
When my bike eventually arrived 12 weeks late the first thing I noticed was that the RST Renegade front fork was damaged. I contacted Tony Wong from Suzhou who kept saying that they will speak to their “engineer”. Nothing happened. I eventually sourced spare parts from RST Germany. I repaired the fork and on the first test ride noticed that all was not right with my Sturmey-Archer IGH. Sturmey Archer RSX RK5 noise
After multiple futile attempts to contact Suzhou I contacted Sunrace USA. Their technical person said that Sturmey Archer gears are not designed for mid motors therefore any damage falls outside their warranty.
I thought that I was saving money by “going direct” but honestly, it’s been heartache since day 1. My suggestion is – do yourself a favour, pay the premium, and buy locally from a reputable dealer and stay away from Alibaba – you don’t know who you are dealing with and like me could be taken for a ride (excuse the pun) by charlatans like the Suzhou Ansbern Sports Co., Ltd.
Also don’t think that you are protected by Alibaba, you are not. Alibaba is there to protect the seller. Trust me I learned that the hard way!
Oh man. Sorry to hear you are "feeling the bern". I appreciate you sharing as I keep going back and forth in my head about buying a Chinese non-returnable ebike like you. I then look at the Biktrix, Zen Bikes, and Sondors but keep thinking I am simply going to want to buy a better one immediately after that arrives. next level up I like the Luna X1 Enduro but the video of chains falling off and complaints about the lack of support worry me. The Watt Wagons Hydra is so far atop my list right now - best price for carbon fiber full suspension and solid components - nothing that close in my mind.
ElevenAD
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i keep trying to tell these guys that there is as reason that we all just dont buy Ultras from Alibaba and save tons of cash!
Rykmann
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Took a look at the Watt Wagons Hydra - I am in LOve! Wish I had been introduced to this puppy before I decided to "save" by buying thru Alibaba.
Yes indeed. I am getting tired of drooling while looking at it...may pull the trigger soon. That bike checks every box...nicer than a Specialized Turbo Levo when you consider the power is more important than total weight. I may do a custom color just not sure what I want.
RMK!
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Well, I bought this Ultra motor ebike from the Chinese factory via Alibaba and they are the same factory that supplies several other Ebike companies with their assembled branded bikes (I have photo proof). I paid $3100 delivered to the US. It took a long time, but that is true of all ebike companies due to Covid overwhelming the parts supply chain. The bike eventually arrived on New Years Eve in perfect condition. It has the SA 5 speed IGH with a Gates Belt. I love the SA IGH and I am careful to never pedal while shifting and it is shifting great. The bike is so powerful I don't do a lot of shifting anyway during my typical 30-40 mile rides. Here are some photos, one bare bones and 3 with supplied rack and fenders. I kinda like the racks although the fenders are a little bit cheesy. More info can be found here.
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After 1000 miles the delicate Sturmey Archer IGH which performed well initially had begun to mis-shift and phantom shift. The factory has acknowledged many problems with this drivetrain on their bikes and is testing a Rohloff 1000 f 14 alternative ($2K more). They provide me with a SRAM cassette/chain swap out at "their cost" plus shipping but that was still a $400 spend. Its is obvious that they did not properly vet the SA IGH. Swap out was easy as they provided all the components and replacement was intuitive despite no directions. I've been riding the SRAM equipped bike for a while now (currently just over 2K miles on the bike) and it is working better than the SA IGH ever did. Much smoother. more gear range and certainly more reliable.
Bottom line is you cannot pair a cheap IGH with the Ultra motor and expect good results long term.
2nd Update: I sold the MD 1000 in August after 2500 miles of mostly fun riding. I had also purchased a Riese & Muller Delite GX Extreme Rohloff 14E from a local dealer (photo added below) and was not riding the Ultra Motor MD 1000 as much. The R&M is a true superbike being a very capable single track trail rider plus, with an honest 100 mile range for touring, it checked all the boxes for me. It is truly my dream ebike but I ride 200 miles per week and wanted a backup bike and occasional rider with a different personality. I was so impressed with the Rohloff 14E on the R&M I decided to order another MD 1000 with the Rohloff 14 IGH. In that configuration, it is a $5K (delivered price) bike but with the inclusion of the Rohloff with over 500% gear range it should be a better overall performer than my last MD 1000 while still being at a good value price point. I ordered and extra battery and that should get me to 60-70 mile range on this big power hungry machine.
Having owned one, the MD 1000 certainly is an attention getting bike which is both good and bad. Big, cool looking, fast and noisy describes the MD 1000. The R&M is double the price but hardly gets noticed and I prefer the more stealth sound and looks of the R&M. I like to ride fast, the R&M is very capable in that regard without verging on motorcycle type looks and noise factor like Ultra Motor equipped bikes. As with most good imported models, the Rohloff equipped MD is a build on order model so the wait will be long.
Update:
After 1000 miles the delicate Sturmey Archer IGH which performed well initially had begun to mis-shift and phantom shift. The factory has acknowledged many problems with this drivetrain on their bikes and is testing a Rohloff 1000 f 14 alternative ($2K more). They provide me with a SRAM cassette/chain swap out at "their cost" plus shipping but that was still a $400 spend. Its is obvious that they did not properly vet the SA IGH. Swap out was easy as they provided all the components and replacement was intuitive despite no directions. I've been riding the SRAM equipped bike for a while now (currently just over 2K miles on the bike) and it is working better than the SA IGH ever did. Much smoother. more gear range and certainly more reliable.
Bottom line is you cannot pair a cheap IGH with the Ultra motor and expect good results long term.
2nd Update: I sold the MD 1000 in August after 2500 miles of mostly fun riding. I had also purchased a Riese & Muller Delite GX Extreme Rohloff 14E from a local dealer (photo added below) and was not riding the Ultra Motor MD 1000 as much. The R&M is a true superbike being a very capable single track trail rider plus, with an honest 100 mile range for touring, it checked all the boxes for me. It is truly my dream ebike but I ride 200 miles per week and wanted a backup bike and occasional rider with a different personality. I was so impressed with the Rohloff 14E on the R&M I decided to order another MD 1000 with the Rohloff 14 IGH. In that configuration, it is a $5K (delivered price) bike but with the inclusion of the Rohloff with over 500% gear range it should be a better overall performer than my last MD 1000 while still being at a good value price point. I ordered and extra battery and that should get me to 60-70 mile range on this big power hungry machine.
Having owned one, the MD 1000 certainly is an attention getting bike which is both good and bad. Big, cool looking, fast and noisy describes the MD 1000. The R&M is double the price but hardly gets noticed and I prefer the more stealth sound and looks of the R&M. I like to ride fast, the R&M is very capable in that regard without verging on motorcycle type looks and noise factor like Ultra Motor equipped bikes. As with most good imported models, the Rohloff equipped MD is a build on order model so the wait will be long.
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I think it's time to update this list. Watt Wagons Hydra is a clear #1. Exess has a new frame. Sondors Rockstar and FLX Weapon are new bikes.
Gionnirocket
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Breaking News: Year is 2021
Ebiker33
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Yeah I need to do a 2021 version
In addition you should add this new Biktrix model which seems to be aimed at the up market Watch Wagons crowd
https://www.biktrix.com/pages/monte-capro-ultra-details
And the CSC ebike ultra model
https://csc-ebikes.com/ft1000md-mid-drive-electric-bike-gray/
aimed at the entry/mid tier Rize price range.
pushkar
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oooh.. the Capro Ultra is cool looking!
reed scott
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Yeah it should, as it's an obvious copy of a Hydra!oooh.. the Capro Ultra is cool looking!
EDIT: I wish to rephrase: 'blatant copy"
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Looks a cool frame but it's a Hydra with cheaper/lesser components (which could simply be supply chain decisions.) Biktrix is a good vendor but this is what happens when you are laser focused on that low cost market and then try to move up. Reminds me of Hyundai who then had to create the Genesis brand.Yeah it should, as it's an obvious copy of a Hydra!
EDIT: I wish to rephrase: 'blatant copy"
reed scott
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Your comment made me go back and check it out more. I don't know what a 'renegade' fork is but most of the stuff hanging on that frame is serviceable.
"Serviceable" aligns with "cheaper", amiright?
At $6K you can probably do better with the standard Hydra Black and enjoy the Archon smooth shifting and extra power, right? I have a busy work day ahead, but it's probably worth a looksee if you wanted to post a compare/contrast since this is neither the WW nor Biktrix thread.
reed scott
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don't have the time and I don't really care
I would bet however that Biktrix has got their Bafangs operating better than stock these days
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