hi, just took a look at that , seems very much like Espin flow and sport models with better upgrades. how do they compare? advertising $100 off sale, is that just PR hype? what was price on BF? thanks
Thank you for that link, I could not find one. Sorry, what is MAC?Bafang does have a 1000w hub drive for wide tires.
MAC is pretty well thought of, if you can find one. They seem to be pretty scarce at the moment. The 12t is rated for 1000w conservatively, and about 110nm torque.
Then there's the GMAC. It's basically a state of the art MAC from Grin technologies featuring regen braking on a level not avaialble with any other motor.
I also have a Voltbike Yukon 750 great bike but I do much prefer my E-Cells 1000watt dual motor dual battery dual suspension fattie or get insane with the Crown 1500 dual 750 watt hubs from E-Cells
Regarding the 1000w Bafang, it's something you'll have to buy on the aftermarket. You won't see it available on a production bike because the legal limit in the US is 750w. Here's a link, though I have no experience with this dealer
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i wonder if this is the same motor Bafang developed for ToRA at Juiced? if so it for sure has some pep, very impressive!Bafang does have a 1000w hub drive for wide tires.
MAC is pretty well thought of, if you can find one. They seem to be pretty scarce at the moment. The 12t is rated for 1000w conservatively, and about 110nm torque.
Then there's the GMAC. It's basically a state of the art MAC from Grin technologies featuring regen braking on a level not avaialble with any other motor.
Thanks, I’m looking into this one!
You are correct, I found the Ride1up has pretty much identical specs when I looked at them. It wouldn’t be an upgrade.
I have been following Juice’s FB page for the past year and their quality control and customer service seem to lacking quite a bit. I wish I could just feel confident enough to buy one from them and be done with it. The Ecells do appear to be pretty sweet though, although no torque sensor but dual batteries and AWD is pretty awesome.
Don’t forget the dual air suspension,dual piston 203mm rotors
And the price point seems pretty good. I'd pull the trigger right now on their 1,000w with torque sensor if I had more confidence in them.
This option seems the smartest really. Most economical but I'm afraid that it's too good to be true? Is it possible to just swap motors without a new controller or anything like that? I guess it's only going from 750w to 1000w.Regarding the 1000w Bafang, it's something you'll have to buy on the aftermarket. You won't see it available on a production bike because the legal limit in the US is 750w. Here's a link, though I have no experience with this dealer
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If you get serious about this, there are both freewheel and cartridge versions of this motor. Not positive, but I think there may be 2 different plugs in use as well. Point being, make sure you order what you need. Done right, it could be a plug and play. Lift yours out and drop this one in it's place....
MAC is a high end hub manf. Currently, Grin Technology is converting them (likely buying all the available production) to the new GMAC hub.
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I bought my MAC 12t from EM3ev, but for whatever reason, they just have a few MAC parts left. Not sure if they will be restocking the motors or not. I've seen them elsewhere as well, but not in the numbers that have come from Grin and EM3ev.
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I agree, and I think you're right to a point, but vs. my experience with my Voltbike group and lurking on Biktrix and Juiced FB groups as well, Juiced definitely seems to have a lot more issues. That said, there are a lot of happy customers as well. Now I'm considering just putting in a new motor on the Yukon 750. If that doesn't work out though I think I may take a chance on the Ripcurrent S. The Ecells Super Monarch 1000 also does grab my attention with AWD and twin batteries. The Ecell 1500w is a beast, but a bit too much for my style with how loud it was when I checked out some video. Also, so heavy at 96 lbs.
You asked about a simple 750w to 1000w swap. Yes, it IS that simple. But then another issue pops up, and that one is regarding the controller's ability to pass power from the battery to the motor. That's a BIG deal. A 1000w motor can generally handle 25-30 amps. To get max available performance, you'll need ALL of that! What's the capacity of the controller on your bike? If THAT capacity were increased significantly, how would your existing motor run?Now you've really given me a lot to chew on with all of this thoughtful and well-presented advice. I'm not terribly handy but I can usually figure out things that are not too complicated. My most technical swap was changing out the flywheel on my Honda Ruckus probably. I do however co-manage an automotive service department and have access to guys who are extremely handy, (obviously). Thank you for all of the information, I truly appreciate it.Here's something for you to mull over.
Bolton, best known for his plug and play performance mod for the RAD bikes (which is a high capacity KT brand controller with custom ends), and scuttlebutt has him studying the same for the Juiced bikes. He sells a LOT of these kits to RAD owners looking for better performance. Most that install this kit are super happy with them. Hard core riders will often then take the next step, which is the REAL 750w Bafang motor, and swap that in. Now we have a bike capable of speeds well into the 30's...
How handy are you? These KT controllers can be purchased on the aftermarket with the correct ends to plug into a Bafang hub drive, and they are generally purchased with the very popular KT displays. The other leads, for your PAS sensor, brakes would need to be matched. Not hard for a lot of guys comfortable working with low voltage electric - like your car.
So all that said, my thought is you install a KT controller (less than 100. by the way) to remove any power bottleneck between your battery and your motor. Try that. If you want MORE power, then you swap in that 1000w motor, knowing your bike already has the ability to feed it all the power it needs. Now you have some serious power.
I did this with a '17 RAD City. I bought a KT controller, installed it (I had to match all of the wires, including those on the motor), still didn't have enough power, only I went with a MAC 12t hub. These are like hen's teeth any more, but they're rated at 1000w+ and 110nm torque. Just about the most power you can buy in a hub. I LOVE that bike! All that power on tap, and a range of 35 miles using a 14.5ah battery......
Noteworthy too, is the after market controllers are generally just cadence based. No torque sensing. Not that I'm aware of anyway. -Al
I'll suggest you look at Hilleater bikes. www.hilleater.ca
