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I am not sure there is any state that classifies a Sur Ron as anything but a dirt bike I first saw one about 8 years ago and my comment was "Son, that there's a dirt bike" They are not electric bicycles. I was told that you could put pedals on it, de-tune it and ride it as an e bike. My...

Here is a close up of the inside of the carrier. The carrier is made of leather.

This is a piece of Samsonite luggage made for a dog. I carry my 4 pound poodle on my back.

Watch it! You are right on the verge of saying that people have a responsibility for their own exercise instead of a nanny state determining that bicycles are for your exercise and should not have motors. It's blasphemy to think that bicycles are for basic transportation and can rightfully be...

Yeah Mike, I would have said so a week ago until I hopped on a Bakcou Mule and rode it. Then to realize that I can order the higher end Mule Jager with 2 batteries totaling 2,400 watt hours. oooh the cockpit felt better than mine and the integration, exquisite. It's definitely a bike I would...

Stephan, you still don't get it so let me shoot it down for you. On you side of the pond the safety blanket is called a walker. On my side of the pond the safety blanket is called a throttle on an e bike. It seems of little use to try to explain to you that there are balance challenged...

I get it Stephan, It's how Europe keeps the old and infirm off the bike paths, safely on the porch and out of the way where they belong. I'm sure that pretty well sums up your bicycling group. In my bicycling group, half would no longer bicycle because they are not sure if they can make the...

I gotta laugh on this one. I know that you are correct but not for me. I freeze all winter skiing and still need an exercise program. My techniques are so highly refined that I am still at resting pulse at the bottom of a big black diamond mogul run. My biking skills, not so much. You throw...

Stephan, I have a car and a throttle on my e bike. It's 100% my responsibility to get enough exercise to stay fit. It is not your responsibility to determine my method of doing so.

PCeBiker Said "I pretty much have an electric motorcycle, but if I stay below 32kph, it counts as a bicycle. I just have to wear a helmet which is no problem because I'm sure to be bouncing off my head. 😂" The differences here is what I call the 10-90 problem. Stefan believes along with 10%...

I have ridden the entire length of the Ohio to Erie before but never all on one shot. I live 26 miles by rural road north of Fredericksburg and 12 miles west of the trail from Barberton. Once a year of so I ride from my home to a friends home in SE Columbus and do the 133 miles in one day each...

My 52 volt 1100watt BBSHD fat bike is capable of 28mph pedaling and 18mph throttle.

You and I have a very different definition of a motorcycle. 1000W is massive? It's just over 1 hp? That does not even meet the definition of idle on an motorcycle for me Your argument is pathetic Even a moped has more. I can put more weight on the seat of a motorcycle than I can hang on a...

Your argument is a total non-starter with me. I use to think you guys had an argument. You don't. QuietKat ticks none of the boxes that I would want in a motorcycle, NONE. As for tearing up sensitive areas, try foot and horse traffic. Total non-starter there. When I see someone not pedaling, I...

It is a BBSHD but I did replace the motor core because the rotor bearing spun on the rotor shaft causing the shaft to wear. Replacement was at about 14K miles

QuietKat does still make some hub drive commuter/city bikes and they originally came out with bikes they billed as capable but quickly switched to a mid drive system because, as you state, the hub motors would not handle the job. The original poster has given up a fair amount of information...

Yeah, its been a hell of an adjustment period from heavy to light thinking. my days of knarly mountain biking came to an end about five years ago. At that point I tried and e bike and was hooked in 100 yards. I soon realized that I could probably off road/gravel tour but there were many...

Original poster might have a JOB more than 40 hrs a week.

What? That must be an old QuietKat. You have not described the Jeep QuietKat at all. It's a Mid Drive Ultra. Nothing like you describe.

If overland travel was not on my list of things I like to include in a tour then I would consider Riese & Muller and Trek Alliant. Overland travel is much heavier on power than gravel roads. I have two problems with Bosch systems. The 250 watts and troubleshooting and fixing the bike myself...