Another new TQ motor: hpr40

[Jeremy McCreary]

I finally created the route that I have been planning to ride since I moved here. It's just under 90 miles round trip. I will use my range extender. The app broke it up into six segments based on elevation. All assist is in Eco, but there were several segments calculated as None. I decided to set every segment to Eco, and shut off assist whenever I feel like it. After this modification, it leaves me with a -3% deficit for the ride. That's a rounding error. Worth taking the risk. Worst case is I suffer a little more on the way home.

Setting segment assist levels like you did — higher than you'll likely use — is a good way to pad the range estimate in favor of getting home under power.

We expect a full report with photos.
;^}

 

[Calcoaster]

Fresh off the rumor mill: I saw a post by a guy who said he just ordered a 2027 Trek Domane+ and it is lighter and has the hpr40. I don’t see any official announcement but another rumor is that it’s the top end of the slr line. Time will tell….

 

[Calcoaster]

New Trek Domane+ SL just released with HPR 40.
The 2027 Treks just showed up on their (US) website. They use the SL carbon, sram Axs, TQ 40 motor and are 3 pounds lighter than the previous model.
The review I read notes that it allows for 200% rider power multiplier, which is twice what other hpr40 systems allow. That solves a common complaint I’ve seen from some riders. Another deviation from other hpr40 bikes is that it uses the 360Whr battery, not the usual hpr40 290Whr one. I thought the smaller one made the bikes look totally stealthy, without the bulky down tubes of the previous hpr 50/60 treks.

Trek’s new Domane+ SL gets seriously light - Canadian Cycling Magazine

The new carbon ebike has endurance geometry, clearance for 40-mm tires and a new, smaller TQ HPR40 motor

cyclingmagazine.ca

 

[stompandgo]

They can use either.

 

[apctjb]

New Trek Domane+ SL just released with HPR 40. 360Whr battery...200% rider power

Thanks for heads up larger battery + increased assist ( assume still capped at 200W) makes it as functionally capable as TQ50 equipped bikes for most riders but lighter. Sounds like a winner...

 

[Calcoaster]

Thanks for heads up larger battery + increased assist ( assume still capped at 200W) makes it as functionally capable as TQ50 equipped bikes for most riders but lighter. Sounds like a winner...

Yeah, it seems to have a max of 200W but the rider assist has been boosted from 100 up to 200% for the hpr40. I’m curious about the option for a 580 WHr battery. Seems like that would need a different frame with an even bigger downtube.

 

[apctjb]

Looks like the BMC Roadmachine, Domane+ and Canyon Endurace Onfly share very similar frame geometry. Fairly tall stack, shorter reach, endurance style.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Looks like the BMC Roadmachine, Domane+ and Canyon Endurace Onfly share very similar frame geometry. Fairly tall stack, shorter reach, endurance style. View attachment 215167

Is that bike-insights or another comparison site?

 

[Calcoaster]

Looks like the BMC Roadmachine, Domane+ and Canyon Endurace Onfly share very similar frame geometry. Fairly tall stack, shorter reach, endurance style. View attachment 215167

The new Domane+ has a taller stack than the previous model. Added to that they are using new handlebars with a 20mm rise, making it noticeably more relaxed (more upright) than most other road bikes.

 

[stompandgo]

That's the thing these days.

 

[apctjb]

Is that bike-insights or another comparison site?

It is an app I wrote when I was shopping for a bike. Lots of good comparison tools out there but I wanted to be able to compare frame geometry but also impact on rider position and to adjust things like stem length, spacers, bar reach on the fly to visualize the impacts on fit and insure I could match my existing bike which felt dialed in for me.

Link for the app below. Happy to answer any questions.

https://sites.google.com/view/bikeframecomparison/home

 

[abercrombie]

Hi guys, U.S. buyer here and just got the Canyon Endurace:ONfly CF 6 with the TQ motor. On the Canyon site, the extender is sold out but I'm wondering if I could get it from Trek and would the cable probably have the same connectors?

 

[Yako]

Hi guys, U.S. buyer here and just got the Canyon Endurace:ONfly CF 6 with the TQ motor. On the Canyon site, the extender is sold out but I'm wondering if I could get it from Trek and would the cable probably have the same connectors?

The extenders and connectors (the plugs) are the same as all TQ, but the length of the cable can differ as Canyon seem to favour fitting the extender to the downtube, Trek the seat tube, which could mean the Trek cable is shorter and handed the other way. From my poor memory I think I looked at moving the extender on the Canyon to the seatpost but didn’t just due to the cable being handed. If you’re happy with the Trek setup it should be fine.

 

[abercrombie]

The extenders and connectors (the plugs) are the same as all TQ, but the length of the cable can differ as Canyon seem to favour fitting the extender to the downtube, Trek the seat tube, which could mean the Trek cable is shorter and handed the other way. From my poor memory I think I looked at moving the extender on the Canyon to the seatpost but didn’t just due to the cable being handed. If you’re happy with the Trek setup it should be fine.

Thanks, yeah I would prefer the seat tube setup which would be less conspicuous as an ebike. I see there are 4 different TQ cables (not sure where I saw it) for various setups so perhaps one of those just might work with Canyon.

 

[Yako]

Thanks, yeah I would prefer the seat tube setup which would be less conspicuous as an ebike. I see there are 4 different TQ cables (not sure where I saw it) for various setups so perhaps one of those just might work with Canyon.

Give me a second and I’ll take a pic of the Trek with a Canyon connector and we’ll see if we can figure it out.

 

[Yako]

So this is a TQ extender for the Canyon as fitted to the downtube, installed on a Trek’s seatpost tube. The position of the charge port is the same on both bikes but you can see from the first pic that the cable’s routing is a bit messy. This cable is 12” long, but it works perfectly. Pics 2 and 3 are just to show that the charge port is identical - there is a lug on the back of the connector for the charge port cover to push onto keeping everything nice and tidy. Hope this helps.

 

[abercrombie]

So this is a TQ extender for the Canyon as fitted to the downtube, installed on a Trek’s seatpost tube. The position of the charge port is the same on both bikes but you can see from the first pic that the cable’s routing is a bit messy. This cable is 12” long, but it works perfectly. Pics 2 and 3 are just to show that the charge port is identical - there is a lug on the back of the connector for the charge port cover to push onto keeping everything nice and tidy. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the pics, Yako! Based on the images, looks like I might need Cable 007 on this site.

Range Extender Cable

TQ Range Extender Battery cables

shopbikesupply.com

 

[Calcoaster]

Hi guys, U.S. buyer here and just got the Canyon Endurace:ONfly CF 6 with the TQ motor. On the Canyon site, the extender is sold out but I'm wondering if I could get it from Trek and would the cable probably have the same connectors?

Cool!
I didn’t know they were available in the U.S. yet. Please give a full report and evaluation after you’ve put some miles on it!

 

[stompandgo]

FYI, it's not just the cable length, it's the connector orientation that makes a proper fit for the bike.

 

[Yako]

FYI, it's not just the cable length, it's the connector orientation that makes a proper fit for the bike.

Yup, I was trying to show that with the pics - the cable is looped around the extender as it’s coming from the ‘wrong’ side as it was designed for a downtube installation. This works but is less tidy.