Resist all negative thinking…

Yes, I have noticed that behavior from you directly both in posts and definately in PMs when you were losing an argument. Are you blind to your own behavior or perhaps just above it all
I see Stefan often attacked here, but I for one enjoy his posts, and often learn from them. I'm impressed by how knowledgeable he is.

We all have personality quirks that may annoy someone else, and thankfully our friends are mostly able to overlook them. I find it really distressing to get caught up in a flame war.

I find it astonishingly easy to not read a post by someone I'd rather ignore.
 
Negativity online is draining, and focusing on the positive aspects makes life richer. The four agreements offer timeless wisdom — especially the one about not taking things personally.
 
Funnily enough, it has a little to do with the internet. It is all about the human nature.

Only in 1831, a German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer published the book "Eristic Dialectic: The Art of Winning an Argument". Even if scholars met face to face in those times, they used many dishonest arguments just to win a discussion. Schopenhauer listed as many as 38 ways of winning the discussion, and sadly these are the same as used today on the internet.


The ultimate stratagem #38, Argumentum Ad Personam (become personal, insulting, rude) is the proof the person resorting to it has lost the discussion. In modern terms, such a person deserves an Ignore. Have you people noticed Argumentum Ad Personam has become the only modus operandi for several users (trolls, stalkers) here on EBR Fora?
aka "argumentum ad hominem"

Funnily enough, it has a little to do with the internet. It is all about the human nature.

Only in 1831, a German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer published the book "Eristic Dialectic: The Art of Winning an Argument". Even if scholars met face to face in those times, they used many dishonest arguments just to win a discussion. Schopenhauer listed as many as 38 ways of winning the discussion, and sadly these are the same as used today on the internet.


The ultimate stratagem #38, Argumentum Ad Personam (become personal, insulting, rude) is the proof the person resorting to it has lost the discussion. In modern terms, such a person deserves an Ignore. Have you people noticed Argumentum Ad Personam has become the only modus operandi for several users (trolls, stalkers) here on EBR Fora?
 
What I notice the most is mob rule, once a person is targeted, they try to dehumanise them which brings in more personal attacks, then they start feeding off each other to post the most horrible responses.
They will start to invent an entire back story for the person, right down to accusing them of serious crimes, then that becomes the truth.
I'm sure it's a mirror of a million conflicts and genocides.
We must remember, everything we write on the internet, everything we consume is being harvested and analysed by academia with super computers.
I fear their solutions might be worse than the disease.
 
Trying to concentrate on positive things as much as possible, but with everything going on in the world now, it is not that easy. What really helps me is when I step up and do something for the good of others. This month, my family will participate in the CarToDonate project, and we will send our old family vehicle to Ukraine. The team is transforming those cars into functional medical vehicles, which will save lives in the future.
 
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Trying to concentrate on positive things as much as possible, but with everything what is going on in the world now , it is not that easy
Especially if you have kids who might well face a very different world than ours.

However, keeping your body awash in stress hormones and your brain awash in anger and thoughts of doom is a recipe for a short and miserable life.

One good antidote is simple gratitude. Not advocating a head in the sand approach to our many very real problems. Just take time everyday to be thankful for the many good things we have — starting with ebikes, of course.

Some people do that in prayer, but by no means does it have to be a religious thing.

Another good antidote is to stay in the moment whenever possible. As a reminder to myself, I like to the fly code flags "BHN" for "Be Here Now".

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Trying to concentrate on positive things as much as possible, but with everything what is going on in the world now , it is not that easy
I have to often turn off the news and notifications, and listen to my favorite music. Enhances my mood right away. Technology and immediate information has its downsides.

Putting your phone, radio and TV away, on a forced time-out, can do wonders. Ride a bike, sit outside in the sun, read a book of fiction, whatever calms you.

And sometimes this also means staying away from the EBR site. Phones and websites are addictive.
 
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Post #25. @Chargeride .
I fell into this mob rules show when I was new member. Now I try my best to not post anything offensive towards other members.
Stefan was targeted with insults and I started to do so following the mob and now I feel kinda bad for doing so.
I was targeted in Wattwagon forum members when I was new member
Looking back now wattwagons forum members majorities have vanished.
 
Yes, the forum got a lot more pleasant for me with just 3 clicks of the ignore button. Gave those folks every chance to lighten up, but they just kept spewing anger and disrespect and knee-jerk dogma wherever they went -- often over nothing of importance.

Too bad, cuz I learned some valuable things about ebikes from one of them. After a while, though, their cost/benefit ratio just got too high.
I certainly appreciated the civil manner in which you recently interacted with me while I was enduring irrational attacks.. I created this profile back in 2020 but I just recently started posting becasue I think it is a crucial time to act.
 
well said. this forum, and one other bike forum that i frequent have a small minority who can be very unpleasant at times. they’re easy enough to ignore - the world has enough unpleasantness in it, no need to trouble one’s self with what someone posts on an internet forum. everyone here has access to the internet and an electric bicycle (and likely much, much more) which means we don’t have too much to complain about in the big picture.

it is a mark of character to be able to have an intelligent, civil conversation with someone that you disagree with, as it is to understand the limitations of your own knowledge and experience.
Don't look now and think about your angry red circles you resorted to because you couldn't be bothered to discuss the matter and find out what you misunderstood. You distinctly introduced yourself to me with that notable lack of character you're patting yourself on the back for here. If there's any truth to what you're saying here "I'm sorry I did that" always helps, especially to someone who isn't trying to hold grudges, agrees with you often, but isn't afraid of more red circles to point out when I disagree. Not that you'll act as if you care, but maybe, in cost/benefit analysis, maybe you'll be my first ignore if you keep proving that you despise newcomers with valid information no-one else is talking about.
 
Funnily enough, it has a little to do with the internet. It is all about the human nature.

Only in 1831, a German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer published the book "Eristic Dialectic: The Art of Winning an Argument". Even if scholars met face to face in those times, they used many dishonest arguments just to win a discussion. Schopenhauer listed as many as 38 ways of winning the discussion, and sadly these are the same as used today on the internet.


The ultimate stratagem #38, Argumentum Ad Personam (become personal, insulting, rude) is the proof the person resorting to it has lost the discussion. In modern terms, such a person deserves an Ignore. Have you people noticed Argumentum Ad Personam has become the only modus operandi for several users (trolls, stalkers) here on EBR Fora?
Yes, I have. I'm being called a sovereign citizen for advancing the idea that some laws are unconstitutional.
 
Especially if you have kids who might well face a very different world than ours.

However, keeping your body awash in stress hormones and your brain awash in anger and thoughts of doom is a recipe for a short and miserable life.

One good antidote is simple gratitude. Not advocating a head in the sand approach to our many very real problems. Just take time everyday to be thankful for the many good things we have — starting with ebikes, of course.

Some people do that in prayer, but by no means does it have to be a religious thing.

Another good antidote is to stay in the moment whenever possible. As a reminder to myself, I like to the fly code flags "BHN" for "Be Here Now".

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Give the meanies likes every chance you can and make sure to say so when they say something that's right. There's nothing like it to make an evil-minded person eat themselves alive than to see you being nice to them knowing they failed to make you feel bad.
 
Don't take things personally
Be impeccable with your word
Do your best
Don’t make assumptions
It comes from the classroom experience. Sit still, shut up. The only way anyone knows you is by what the teacher says about you. You have no input. Of course you take it personally. When ordered to speak, you do your best to be impeccable with your words so nobody will find any cause for reproach. That's not resisting negative thinking. It's also wearing a mask. Nobody really knows anybody.

Teachers don't know how well each student has learned a subject. Successful students have a knack for responding to please a teacher, and that requires making assumptions. When in order to please or impress, you say or do what you would not otherwise say or do, that's kissing ass. Sometimes "doing your best" is just kissing ass.

Education generates inequality. In the way they are regarded and treated, some have it made and others are losers. As on the internet, the hope that a judgmental audience will like your remark, and the fear of rejection, generate tremendous anxiety. There's pressure to admire students more fortunate than oneself and disdain those less fortunate. As in American Graffiti, you may end up with only a handful of friends who aren't judging you.

At Parris Island I was delighted when a drill instructor told us they were going to knock that civilian s*it out of us. It worked. For more than a year I shared a bedroom with 60 others. There was a TV room down the hall, but if I peeked in, it was always deserted or nearly deserted. We preferred interacting. There was always music. Sometimes it would be top-40 on a radio. I became familiar with country and motown music that didn't make the top 40 because sometimes a guy would play a country album on a portable record player, or somebody else might play a motown album on another player. Sometimes it was me playing a folk album on the motown guy's player. When 60 guys enjoy having their bedroom flooded with 45 minutes of music somebody happened to choose without consulting anyone, you have a group free of the judgmental attitude instilled by American schools.

For the first 9 years on TV, Gunsmoke was bad in several ways. Marshall Dillon and Doc would sit in the saloon drinking beer and agreeing with each other like a couple of ladies. Ken Curtis knew cowboys and law enforcement. He'd grown up on his father's ranch and as a teen lived at the county jail for the 4 years his father was sheriff. As Festus, he saved the show. For example, he and Doc enjoyed drinking beer and arguing like men. The 60 Marines sharing a squad bay were like that. Members of a judgmental audience are likely to take sides and gang up on one of the parties. We weren't judgmental. We enjoyed it in silence. There was no malice because participants felt no need to vindicate themselves by discrediting their opponent.

By the time I was 35, I noticed how I loved to pick fights with little kids. That is, I'd start arguments I couldn't win. I was looking at it from the perspective of the kid, always expected to accept what an adult claimed. Faced with the truth, I'd have to back down. That set an example. A kid who isn't afraid to object or to back down is a kid who is easy to deal with.
 
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I believe the followers of the M religion are conditioned to accept their fate.
'It is alarz will'

Dont ask questions, accept the inevitable and your mind will be at ease.

You upset people with your lack of faith, we can make life difficult for you.

Its the oldest scam in the book.

The most overlooked sentence in the Bible..' God gave us free will', its the basis of most of our legal systems.

He does not control our fate, that is left to us.
Much athiest comedy refers to the hilarious juxtaposition of gods plan and the pointlessness of anything if he made is who we are.

But we do have free will, well until the data centres confirm we dont.
 
I believe the followers of the M religion are conditioned to accept their fate.
'It is alarz will'

Dont ask questions, accept the inevitable and your mind will be at ease.

You upset people with your lack of faith, we can make life difficult for you.
Spoken as a highly judgmental outsider.

It was my fate to be the only one in the squad bay who liked the music on my albums. If what you think were true, why didn't the 59 others, many of whom outranked me, demand that I accept my fate and not upset people with my music? When a corporal made a crack about my music, I didn't have time to answer because two Marines intervened. One immediately informed him that the stuff I listened to was popular at Harvard University. The other, a sergeant who preferred country, told him off for criticizing my personal choice.

Most of the time the motown guy was the only black guy in the squad bay, but everybody enjoyed his music. Of all the people I've been among in 79 years, the US Marines were the ones who really respected individual choice. During the Vietnam War, an embedded reporter wrote that a Marine rifle platoon in Vietnam was the closest thing America had to democracy. I agree.

In 1966, one of the first things our senior drill instructor said to us at Parris Island was that he loved the Marine Corps because it was the only place left in America where it was OK to be a character. Does that sound like "You upset people and we make life difficult?" In 1975, I was at a Coast Guard facility in Alaska. The chief said that out of 7 men under him, 3 of us were Marines, and each of us was a character, and each was different. He'd probably never met a Marine before. We were veterans had enlisted and gone to Alaska trying to escape the ass-kissing accept-your-fate religion of America, no doubt inherited from England.
 
Spoken as a highly judgmental outsider.
Chargeride appears to live in the UK (uses British spellings) where the whole country is saturated with immigrants practicing that religion. It is not friendly or even tolerant toward other religions. Here in the U.S. we only have enclaves, meaning you might be an outsider to Chargeride's POV.
It was my fate to be the only one in the squad bay who liked the music on my albums. If what you think were true, why didn't the 59 others, many of whom outranked me, demand that I accept my fate and not upset people with my music? When a corporal made a crack about my music, I didn't have time to answer because two Marines intervened. One immediately informed him that the stuff I listened to was popular at Harvard University. The other, a sergeant who preferred country, told him off for criticizing my personal choice.
Americans tolerating each other's music is hardly an apt analogy compared to people who sometimes takes their religion's command to kill the infidel quite seriously. Your first post with this story had much merit in its context. Repeating it here just plain misses the point. We should all be tolerant of even this religion because most adherents do not emphasize the killing part of it and are kind and peaceful and the western way of tolerance to allr eligion is a superior moral approach. But what if you couldn't play your music because one bully insisted only his could be heard?
 
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