You don't buy an eMTB just for the motor - Unique review of top 12 eMTB's

[Ravi Kempaiah]

I thought this article was fascinating. Written by former world cup riders and eMTB magazine editors/riders.

http://ebike-mtb.com/en/best-emtb-2018-twelve-dream-bikes-review/

Apparently, the writers think Brose performs best on uphill tests and they get into some of the nuances only a very experienced rider can think of. Of course, it is all subjective but they had a group of riders do the testing.

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[JRA]

Interesting that they didn't include the Pivot in the high end test. Otherwise I agree with many of their findings and appreciate their honesty. The only thing I didn't agree with is that you need a bike with at least 130mm of travel. Maybe it's just me but I find my hardtail with a 100mm front fork to be sufficient for my needs. I guess not unlike carrying around extra battery I don't need the extra weight and complexity of FS for the style of mtb I prefer where climbing prowess supersedes DH speed.

They really take a few stabs at Bosch though eh? And I might have missed it but the Shimano motor wasn't even mentioned?

 

[Ravi Kempaiah]

Interesting that they didn't include the Pivot in the high end test. Otherwise I agree with many of their findings and appreciate their honesty. The only thing I didn't agree with is that you need a bike with at least 130mm of travel. Maybe it's just me but I find my hardtail with a 100mm front fork to be sufficient for my needs. I guess not unlike carrying around extra battery I don't need the extra weight and complexity of FS for the style of mtb I prefer where climbing prowess supersedes DH speed.

They really take a few stabs at Bosch though eh? And I might have missed it but the Shimano motor wasn't even mentioned?

I have read some of their other articles and find them reliable.
While all other dealers who drank the Bosch kool-aid were going gaga.. these guys were the only one who said... the Bosch motor has high internal resistance and engages after 1/6th or 1/8th of a revolution (from standstill) compared to instant engagement in Yamaha or Brose. I could really feel that. The smoothness of Yamaha or Brose is def better than Bosch. The granularity with which it responds to the pedal torque can be felt quite distinctly.

They did mention about Shimano. They had a separate article about it. In fact many of the bikes used BMC, BULLS, Thomus etc have the Shimano E8000 motor. I agree Pivot could be a strong contender here. BMC Trail Fox comes very close to Pivot in that regard.
Here is the article: http://ebike-mtb.com/en/the-best-emtb-motor/

I ride a Bosch bike and Stromer. The Bosch motor is fine and does the job well for off-road. It's backed by a good company for service and warranty but there are definitely, equally good alternatives.

 

[Manu]

The comparison is an idea for tastes.
They are from 2000 euros to 10000 euros and that are components of carbon wheels ,forks up to 180mm and riders different in age and weight,which the most expensive will not get a good performance.......


climbing mountains is very difficult to have high rates of human pedaling even if you have a cassette of 47 or 50 t

less weight.1 kilogramo is equal to 6 seconds less per kilometer in climb human.

More performance for the same battery consumption.They say it does not matter but it is important.

The emtb is not just climbing is descent is to climb and descend with large obstacles, where you put a 180 mm suspension remove the others, the suspension 180 mm raise much more the drive unit of the ground and the obstacles allowing pedaling where others can not. ....

Critical climbing position that is basically that you can no longer be sitting on the bike. You have to stand on the pedals at very low cadence to give more pressure to your tires distribute or center the total weight and put as torque all your weight on each foot.


None comment on ranges of autonomy only of capacities watios and placement in the frame.

Cycling is not only emtb there are also other styles. A drive unit does not have to be good in a task it must be good in all styles and profiles.

While some drive units are exclusive for emtb.


for me if I have over 10000 euros I buy this ...

http://en.m1-sporttechnik.de/das-spitzing-plus-r-pedelec/


75km/h .....

and it is faster than everything in the list of emtb the problem is illegality except in the pedelec version.

move the wagon

move the car.....

Jayvee this is what you need......

If you want to give 120nm you can not put a plastic gear.

 

[Ravi Kempaiah]

for me if I have over 10000 euros I buy this ...

http://en.m1-sporttechnik.de/das-spitzing-plus-r-pedelec/

M1 PIN drive is a great system but is not very efficient for commuting. Actually, for on-road commuting with long stretches of roads, nothing beats the quietness and efficiency of the direct drive hub.

I contemplated on getting the exact same bike for many months and after all the research gave up the idea for the following reasons.

1. They discontinued a lot of their 2014 and 2015 models and some top management left the company.
2. The current management doesn't have much interest in growing the US market and you don't have qualified technicians in the US to repair any electrical component on that bike (motor/battery etc).
3. The motor is so powerful that eats up the drivetrain in no time at all. Even the Shimano XTR drivetrain can't handle this kind of power.

There is a huge thread here about the user experience and many people have experienced some problems. Overall, it's a great motor but E-bike drivetrains simply can't handle that kind of power. It is the same with BBS-HD, if you are not careful, it chews up the chains and cassettes. Also, if the motor/battery/PAS is not well integrated, you run into small problems that can cause a lot of annoyance.

https://www.epowerforum.de/forum/th...mittelmotor-mit-bis-zu-850-w-877-wh-akku.134/

They also recently changed over to Brose but even then it is so much more expensive than other model you can get with Brose S drive.

ElectricBike.Com wrote an interesting article about this drive system.

https://www.electricbike.com/clean-mobile-is-back-and-with-an-awesome-new-e-bike/

 

[Manu]

El foro explica los problemas al comienzo de la producción en 2014, donde relacionan principalmente los problemas iniciales con la cadena, aunque con el hg-95 actual el problema se resuelve en muchos kilómetros.

y que parece que no han descubierto que kmc x10e y kmc x 11 e soportan 400 nemtown ....... o 400 kilogramos.

Cuando comparan el TQ contra el propio Brose de spize, ya dicen que el TQ es más alto para todos, bosch incluido en todas sus versiones del pedelec / s-pedelec / R-pedelec.

De hecho, el R-pedelec ya es una motocicleta de motocross con pedales ... Ningún fabricante grande tiene nada igual al R-pedelec.

Eso si conmutar no es la mejor opción para el spize, pero para hillclimp es el mejor

 

[Ravi Kempaiah]

2018 version.

eMTB magazine thinks, the new Brose S Drive is the best, followed closely by Shimano E8000.

http://ebike-mtb.com/en/best-emtb-motor-2018-review/


What’s the most powerful motor on the market?
If this is the one aspect you’re interested in, the answer is simple: the TQ 120S. With its massive torque of 120 Nm, this full-blooded Bavarian power-pack smokes the entire competition. Not many brands are using it just yet, but we’re sure this will change later on this year.
Second place goes to the brand-new Brose Drive S, which finally managed to overtake the Bosch Performance CX and Shimano thanks to its recent update. Generally speaking, all motors have more than enough power to climb even the steepest of hills. However, there is more to motors than just raw power.


Power is nothing without control
Spinning wheels are not just an issue for cars, as eMTBs have this problem too – maximum power doesn’t get you anywhere if it’s not properly transferred into the ground. Especially when starting up or riding on technical terrain, the power delivery of a motor needs to be both consistent and not overly vigorous. The motor that does this best is the Brose Drive S, closely followed by the Shimano STEPS E8000 in “Trail mode” and the Bosch Performance CX in “eMTB mode.” The Yamaha PW-X pushes forward powerfully from the first pedal-stroke, making starts on steep terrain much more pleasant. On loose terrain and steep gradients we recommend reducing the support level of the Yamaha to prevent the rear wheel from spinning. Despite its enormous power, the TQ 120S is surprisingly easy to modulate. In slippery conditions and on steep starts we still recommend reducing the support level.


Shimano’s STEPS E8000 motor offers the fewest compromises and suits a wider range of applications. Its intuitive operation system and well-balanced power delivery (especially in Trail mode) are truly pleasant – plus the compact design and light weight are the ideal prerequisites for manufacturers to design the perfect eMTB.

The brand-new Brose Drive S motor offers the most natural and controllable ride. If its predecessor was lacking power, the updated version of the Brose motor stands right behind the TQ motor. On top of this, it runs very quietly, can be finely modulated even in the higher support levels, and presents virtually no resistance at speeds above 25 km/h.

However, the motor is only half of the story. Factors such as geometry, suspension, and spec of a bike are the keys to a comfortable, safe, and pleasant ride. When deciding on a bike you should consider all of these decisive factors carefully.

 

[VirgilCaine]

After 6 weeks, I could not be happier with the Brose motor and my 2017 Easy Motion Atom Lynx 6.0.
Just a phenomenal machine. I was pleasantly surprised to find that despite what alot of people have told me; it's not all that bad to pedal without power. Consequently, I'm typically only using 20% of the battery on each ride. Every component works beautifully and it's quiet as a mouse. Best bike ever !!!