X2 Bafang M600 stock programming?

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How smooth is the stock (non-Ludi) controller at low PAS? Some say it's pretty jerky till like PAS level 3.

 

[perseverantone2.0]

Stock Luna X2's drppped to $4200 price.

X2 Enduro Ebike

Carbon fiber mid drive beauty.

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How smooth is the stock (non-Ludi) controller at low PAS? Some say it's pretty jerky till like PAS level 3.

Very smooth. I have a Stock M600 driven bike and it easily gets up to 28mph climbing a hill in PAS5 never overheating, & I can ride 30miles on a full charge of the 840wh battery in the FLX F5 trail at full power. I bought the LUNA X2 Ludicrous a few weeks ago, & it's more of a gimmick really, gets hot easy. I am trying to figure it out, but man it's a big learning curve. I wish I had bought the Z1tbh. Though Stock M600 has come a long way. Now Even in low PAS it's smooth it also depends on which gear you are in. But in PAS1 it still does about 15-18mph with very little effort. The STOCK M600 motors are all shipped with silent plastic gear now, and a 3.2 controller. My Stock m600 on the FLX f5 trail is 4 times as quiet as my Ludicrous X2. No matter if I set my ludi controller to stock bafang setting it's still louder than the stock m600. Stock m600 is not jerky at all. The newer M600 motors are smooth as can be. If you want a powerful motor or to do over 30mph constantly stick to the ULTRA you can cut weight in other ways if that's the issue. Though if riding through woods the X2 has much more clearance, they are also shipping out with 152mm Cranks now, & the KS Dropper ETEN-I post has NO TRAVEL, so if your 6 feet or less and buy the medium plan to buy a new dropper post, & stem for her. To get my Cockpit right on my medium X2 I bought the PNW Rainier Gen 3 170mm Dropper post, but I should have bought the 200mm, considering exchanging her still. Has travel adjust to set it to your height reducing it by 5mm increments and 2mm of play so when grime and dirt build up it keeps moving smoothly. Then I had to buy the 70mm +6 degree Truvativ Atmos 7k Stem.(actually considering swapping it for Thompson x4 +10degree 70mm to bring it up some. But I may just buy different bars instead. I'm just under 6 feet tall with a 31inch inseam, had I bought the large I'd probably have been ok, but I wouldn't have the control I do with the medium. I loved my 83 yr old father's FLX F5 trail, but it's a little cheap when it comes to suspension, & they have no support.

But it's a quality bike. The only bike I would have bought if I could have afforded it over the Z1 or X2 ludicrous is the HPC Revolution, or the Watt Wagons HYDRA. If you want to ride by throttle or are climbing lots of hills the ULTRA is the way to go. I learned that the hard way. Both Engines are super smooth & both allow you to work just as hard. Both have cadence and torque sensors now. Newer Ultra on Biktrix & the Hunting bikes like Bakcou are easily tuned up to 1800watts without overheating issues. But the BAKCOU is super heavy. The lightest and best trail bike for the money is the X2, but Enduro by throttle gotta go Z1, or Biktrix Monte Capro Ultra. Hydra & revolution are just too much money for me. Attached photo of my X2 I got about 2 weeks ago.

 

[greeno]

Thanks for the review.
Glad I bought my Exess a couple of years ago, I feel fortunate.

I have since swapped out the 27.5" front tire for a 29" and the Wren fork for a Fox 36 factory. Same travel 160mm but a little smoother.
Had to adjust the programming from when I got it as it was backed down a bit on a couple of levels.

Big seller for me is having the inside triangle area clear for the battery's I make. Currently running a 24ahr model but have a 34.5ahr battery for the longer rides.
Still typically come back with about 53v+ after 25 miles of single track or up and down trails.
Gotta love San Diego.

 

[camdon44]

Very smooth. I have a Stock M600 driven bike and it easily gets up to 28mph climbing a hill in PAS5 never overheating, & I can ride 30miles on a full charge of the 840wh battery in the FLX F5 trail at full power. I bought the LUNA X2 Ludicrous a few weeks ago, & it's more of a gimmick really, gets hot easy. I am trying to figure it out, but man it's a big learning curve. I wish I had bought the Z1tbh. Though Stock M600 has come a long way. Now Even in low PAS it's smooth it also depends on which gear you are in. But in PAS1 it still does about 15-18mph with very little effort. The STOCK M600 motors are all shipped with silent plastic gear now, and a 3.2 controller. My Stock m600 on the FLX f5 trail is 4 times as quiet as my Ludicrous X2. No matter if I set my ludi controller to stock bafang setting it's still louder than the stock m600. Stock m600 is not jerky at all. The newer M600 motors are smooth as can be. If you want a powerful motor or to do over 30mph constantly stick to the ULTRA you can cut weight in other ways if that's the issue. Though if riding through woods the X2 has much more clearance, they are also shipping out with 152mm Cranks now, & the KS Dropper ETEN-I post has NO TRAVEL, so if your 6 feet or less and buy the medium plan to buy a new dropper post, & stem for her. To get my Cockpit right on my medium X2 I bought the PNW Rainier Gen 3 170mm Dropper post, but I should have bought the 200mm, considering exchanging her still. Has travel adjust to set it to your height reducing it by 5mm increments and 2mm of play so when grime and dirt build up it keeps moving smoothly. Then I had to buy the 70mm +6 degree Truvativ Atmos 7k Stem.(actually considering swapping it for Thompson x4 +10degree 70mm to bring it up some. But I may just buy different bars instead. I'm just under 6 feet tall with a 31inch inseam, had I bought the large I'd probably have been ok, but I wouldn't have the control I do with the medium. I loved my 83 yr old father's FLX F5 trail, but it's a little cheap when it comes to suspension, & they have no support.

But it's a quality bike. The only bike I would have bought if I could have afforded it over the Z1 or X2 ludicrous is the HPC Revolution, or the Watt Wagons HYDRA. If you want to ride by throttle or are climbing lots of hills the ULTRA is the way to go. I learned that the hard way. Both Engines are super smooth & both allow you to work just as hard. Both have cadence and torque sensors now. Newer Ultra on Biktrix & the Hunting bikes like Bakcou are easily tuned up to 1800watts without overheating issues. But the BAKCOU is super heavy. The lightest and best trail bike for the money is the X2, but Enduro by throttle gotta go Z1, or Biktrix Monte Capro Ultra. Hydra & revolution are just too much money for me. Attached photo of my X2 I got about 2 weeks ago.

Since you got the X2 with the stock controller, I am wondering if getting the Ludicrous controller would have changed your mind about what you thought the Z1's advantages were over the X2. The stock controller goes to 750 watts... The Ludicrous goes up to 2500 watts...

 

[camdon44]

Very smooth. I have a Stock M600 driven bike and it easily gets up to 28mph climbing a hill in PAS5 never overheating, & I can ride 30miles on a full charge of the 840wh battery in the FLX F5 trail at full power. I bought the LUNA X2 Ludicrous a few weeks ago, & it's more of a gimmick really, gets hot easy. I am trying to figure it out, but man it's a big learning curve. I wish I had bought the Z1tbh. Though Stock M600 has come a long way. Now Even in low PAS it's smooth it also depends on which gear you are in. But in PAS1 it still does about 15-18mph with very little effort. The STOCK M600 motors are all shipped with silent plastic gear now, and a 3.2 controller. My Stock m600 on the FLX f5 trail is 4 times as quiet as my Ludicrous X2. No matter if I set my ludi controller to stock bafang setting it's still louder than the stock m600. Stock m600 is not jerky at all. The newer M600 motors are smooth as can be. If you want a powerful motor or to do over 30mph constantly stick to the ULTRA you can cut weight in other ways if that's the issue. Though if riding through woods the X2 has much more clearance, they are also shipping out with 152mm Cranks now, & the KS Dropper ETEN-I post has NO TRAVEL, so if your 6 feet or less and buy the medium plan to buy a new dropper post, & stem for her. To get my Cockpit right on my medium X2 I bought the PNW Rainier Gen 3 170mm Dropper post, but I should have bought the 200mm, considering exchanging her still. Has travel adjust to set it to your height reducing it by 5mm increments and 2mm of play so when grime and dirt build up it keeps moving smoothly. Then I had to buy the 70mm +6 degree Truvativ Atmos 7k Stem.(actually considering swapping it for Thompson x4 +10degree 70mm to bring it up some. But I may just buy different bars instead. I'm just under 6 feet tall with a 31inch inseam, had I bought the large I'd probably have been ok, but I wouldn't have the control I do with the medium. I loved my 83 yr old father's FLX F5 trail, but it's a little cheap when it comes to suspension, & they have no support.

But it's a quality bike. The only bike I would have bought if I could have afforded it over the Z1 or X2 ludicrous is the HPC Revolution, or the Watt Wagons HYDRA. If you want to ride by throttle or are climbing lots of hills the ULTRA is the way to go. I learned that the hard way. Both Engines are super smooth & both allow you to work just as hard. Both have cadence and torque sensors now. Newer Ultra on Biktrix & the Hunting bikes like Bakcou are easily tuned up to 1800watts without overheating issues. But the BAKCOU is super heavy. The lightest and best trail bike for the money is the X2, but Enduro by throttle gotta go Z1, or Biktrix Monte Capro Ultra. Hydra & revolution are just too much money for me. Attached photo of my X2 I got about 2 weeks ago.

My bad!! I see you got the Ludi controller. I guess it comes down to the torque of the Ultra vs the M600... The Ludi controlled watts being up to 2500 and the Ultra about 1600?