Do any of you commute on a 36v version? I just picked up a Marin Muirwoods recently and I am looking to do a stealth build using a Reention Cuttle battery. I am curious about the Tsdz2 holding up in all weather conditions. My bike will be locked up outside in extreme cold and hot weather. Any incite appreciated
Tsdz2 Commuters?
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PedalUma
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I am a builder in Coastal Northern California. You can check me out with photos on Google Maps. Search for Petaluma, Electric bike, Conversion. This is just to confirm that I am not someone blowing smoke. Some motors shipped without O-ring lube where the two main sections meet last Winter. Factories globally were shut down and restarted after weeks, again-and-again. This impacted almost every assembly line worldwide. How does one restart a factory at exactly the same place? You could just open your motor and apply automotive gasket sealant. Avoid extreme temperature swings on the motor and with all Li batteries. A bike motor is not a dive watch. Light mist is fine. Leaving it out in the rain is not. One Canadian with a different type of motor used his as you are hoping to do and very quickly destroyed it. The freeze/thaw cycles made for expansion and contraction. Ice turned to water and vapor and then condensed inside vital parts getting drawn in with contraction. If I recall, his was a Bosch motor. It was replaced under warranty, because he played dumb and didn't disclose the intentional abuse. Treat your bike as you would a living thing. You wouldn't tie a dog to a pole and abandon it in extreme conditions. Naming your bike can help in changing how you think about it as something loyal and worthy of respect.
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I won't tap dance around this issue. Not sure what your version of "extreme" looks like, but if it's anything like mine, I'll say this plan could easily be short lived. Mechanically not too big an issue. It's the battery that might (will be) be a concern....
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The newer version of the TS has greater incursion protection. There is a new seal on the drive side and hot glue sealing parts of the motor. I mounted one of these moments ago after using extra O-ring lube where the two sections join. The new one is the TSZ2'B'. This one is the TSDZ2'B' V-5. It has two clutches, instead of one. It is a bit louder but not prone to bearing play. I would still take it inside.
I always take the battery inside. I am just curious about the motor mostly on very hot days especially with the history of the Tsdz2 over heating.
I treat the battery like a baby lol. Always take it inside and in cold weather I even have a neoprene cover.
I was planning on getting one from Eco Cycles with their cooling mod. I do take my bike inside when it rains. I am mostly curious about really hot days.
PedalUma
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Batteries are very sensitive to excessive heat. Heat issues with motors are internal. Like when someone overclocks the Amps and goes full blast in Turbo for an extended time. Those are mostly hub drives but I do know of a PE teacher who's TS got hot to the touch after a full blast commute. Turbo, like with a Porsche, is for when needed. You don't floor a car and leave it on the firewall the whole time. Treat the bike like you love the bike. If you are in AZ in the Summer at least park in the shade like you would a horse you care for.
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Consider a battery heater if cold is an issue.
I get ya,
Got all that full blast riding out of my system some time ago when I was low on battery once and going up hill. I geared down and lowered the Pas and it dawned on me that I was still going up hill at over 13mph and it was faster than I would be going on my pedal bike.
I ride a rear hub now and I want something more efficient, quieter and lighter.
Commuting to and from work mostly with some 30 mile or so rides in my off time in the Annapolis Maryland area.
PedalUma
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The TS as I am sure you know, has the torque sensor but also a cadence sensor. I have never see the power plotted out but this is the effect on how it feels: The most power is delivered at a high cadence, 80. Power delivery ramps up with cadence so as with a sports car, downshift and get some revs to accelerate. Keep it high as you up-shift thru the gears. The feel is very natural, strong. If you lug it, that spikes the controller with the torque sensor twice per revolution and the motor does not give much. The bottom line is your request for assistance is delivered by your cadence. No ghost pedaling this puppy.
AHicks
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So way different than the Bafang Ultra and M-600 I ride. That's interesting! There's never any sensation of lugging either of these. The Ultra, being an absolute torque monster, is very happy being "lugged" (e.g. accelerating from a stop in 6th gear) as long as you aren't applying full power (that may break some parts). The 600 not so much, but it's a much smaller motor - but I haven't noticed the watt meter climbing as cadence increases there either. Still low miles with the M600, so I don't have it completely figured out yet. So far though, it seems to be looking for pedal pressure and combining that with PAS level to get the watt meter climbing - or just big hole it with the throttle.
PedalUma
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Many of the torque sensor bikes I have ridden feel very different than the TS. I happen to like the feel of revving before an up shift. If I want to tone it down I just decrease cadence. It also seems that the torque sensor becomes more sensitive, like a 1/2 twist throttle at a higher cadence. I am doing a HUGE cargo bike for San Francisco hills with two kids right now. No matter how I adjusted the new hydros in the rear, it would rub. It was the tire on the fender!
Well I have the Tsdz2b in hand with the cooling mod from Eco cycles 860c display, no throttle or brake cut offs. I have a 48v 10.5ah battery with a 40a BMS on the way soon ,I gave up on the stealth aspect and figured the 38v version would suit my needs.
I have been riding the Muirwoods for the last 2 weeks unpowered and I love the way this steel bike rides. Might even look into putting a Shimano Alfine 8 speed hub on some time in the future.
I have been riding the Muirwoods for the last 2 weeks unpowered and I love the way this steel bike rides. Might even look into putting a Shimano Alfine 8 speed hub on some time in the future.
JRA
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I used TSDZ2 system for like 5 yrs. on mtb's. When I got a more conventional mid drive I still had kit left over as well as a nice frame that had been built up once already.
Although I ran @ 52v/48v I see no reason that a 36v system won't work for your needs. Motors are not totally waterproof but I rode mine numerous times fully submerged in fresh water and when I would look inside there wasn't much moisture evident and some of that could have been condensation.
He has been using it now for 6 months for commuting as well as some forest road forays in search of fish. He is young and hasn't figured out that suspension is beneficial yet and prefers to not have any although it was available and offered. So some plump tires at a lowish psi tubeless is all he gets. Only issue so far was a funky wire connection that occurred where I had spliced the main cable wires to shorten them years ago.
Although I ran @ 52v/48v I see no reason that a 36v system won't work for your needs. Motors are not totally waterproof but I rode mine numerous times fully submerged in fresh water and when I would look inside there wasn't much moisture evident and some of that could have been condensation.
He has been using it now for 6 months for commuting as well as some forest road forays in search of fish. He is young and hasn't figured out that suspension is beneficial yet and prefers to not have any although it was available and offered. So some plump tires at a lowish psi tubeless is all he gets. Only issue so far was a funky wire connection that occurred where I had spliced the main cable wires to shorten them years ago.
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