BarnBoy
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There are basically three different WW Legacy Frames that can be either purchased as a frame or complete bike. Just talk to @pushkar, he can do anything you want!
Titanium UC Pro (135mm QR or Thru Axle) Beautiful titanium frames!!!
Titanium Crosstour (170mm QR or Thru Axle)
Titanium Crosstour (197mm QR or Thru Axle) (made to order)
Travalanche (148mm Thru Axle)- Basically an Exess Bikes HP-E180 with a bunch of upgrades! The first WW FS offering before Hydra….
Take a look at this video to see what kind of stress testing is done to this frame... (OMG!)
Motor, Controller & Battery - The WW web page has the best information as to the Bafang Ultra motor, the Archon X1 power and battery options. The DERESTRICTED THROTTLE option allows you to program your throttle above 750W (1000W w/ Kindernay IGH option). This option will only allow you to break your drive train and is thus not advised. Just know that 750W is 1HP, 1500W is 2HP, and 2300W is 3.1HP. In the USA anything above 1HP or >28mph is considered a “Motor Bike” or “Moped”…
Colors- These are absolutely beautiful titanium frames. Do you really want to put paint on it??? The Travalanche comes in black(??).
Frame Dimensions- As of now, only the M and L frames are available. But I’m sure Pushkar can be persuaded to do others (S & XL) if you really encourage him to do so…
The Kindernay Option- The Kindernay IGH is an option, but not with a belt unless UC Pro (& Crosstour???). Belt is not currently available on the Travalanche…
With a belt drive, the Kindernay can accept as small as a 22T cog (14T chain), and potentially a 60T up front making for a pretty fast capable trail riding bike.
Rear Travel- The Travalanche is a full suspension frame with 180mm of rear travel. But here are the shock options….
Manitou Mara:
Suntour Tri Air 3CR:
Manitou Mara Pro:
Fox Float X2 w/ Kashima coat:
Front Forks – This depends upon what you have configured, but below is what is available and the web page specs for the same. Fork steerer tube (1.5 inch standard) will come uncut with several spacers to allow you to custom fit your ride for comfort.
Suntour Aeon(Aion??) 32 Boost: Comes standard.
Suntour Auron: for a little more…
Manitou Mezzer Pro: Is also available as an option…
Fox 38 e-Optimized: Again available as an option.
Manitou Mastodon: Available for 26x3.5-4.0 Fatbike wheel builds (29er too!). I assume this is the Pro Extended model with 120mm of travel based on FaceBook/Instagram photos and specs. @pushkar to confirm.
Carbon Wheel Build Options- Though not mentioned as an option, I’m sure @pushkar would make them an option if desired. There are 27.5x2.4 (standard) and 26x3.5-4.0 wheel builds available. The FAT Crosstour can do 26x3.5-4.0 on that Manitou Mastodon (possibly larger!)…
Headset & Seat Post Clamp– Frames sets can add headsets and seat post clamps….
Stem and Bars - The Salsa Bend Bar 23degree and the Surly Moloco are bar options. It uses the 35mm bar standard (not 31.8!) as mentioned here. All of the forks use a 1.5 inch steerer tube….
Cranks – You can get 170mm aluminum or 165mm carbon cranks. Both use the rather old ISIS standard used on the Bafang Ultra motor BB.
Pedals – The Crank Brothers Stamp 1 or Protaper ZuZu will be offered depending upon availability as an option. But the Crank Brothers Stamp 3 and Stamp 7 are also available options.
Saddle- The Ergon SMC saddle is one option but can be upgraded to the Ergon Core Prime. Another available option is the rooks B17.
Dropper/Seat Post- There are three offerings for seat posts. The seat post standard is 31.6mm as stated here. There are the Kinect Suspension, Manitou Jack and Rock Shox C1 posts available.
Brakes- Magura MT5e come standard and Hayes Dominion A4 are available as a load stopping upgrade.
Grips- Ergon GP1, GA2 or GP5 grips are available as options. If you are thinking bar ends, you might want to consider the upgrade grips…
Tax & Shipping- Unfortunately you can't avoid the taxman and @pushkar will have to collect local state taxes. Not sure of VAT or other taxes outside the USA. For shipping there is a $300 flat-rate shipping anywhere within USA.
Bike Classification Sticker- Not Installed…
Ballpark Weight – There are many posts in the forum regarding weight. Do a search on WEIGHT and you will see the min weight is 50lbs and max mentioned is 73 pounds with 58 pounds being mentioned most often. This all depends upon your particular bike and how you build it. Hopefully people with actual bikes will reply in this thread with their weights for their particular bike and I will update this. But really folks, with 2.3kW of motor power, do you want to be a weight weenie???
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-BB
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: BarnBoy is not affiliated with Watt Wagons LLC in any way, shape or form. The data contained in this “Unofficial” FAQ does not constitute any legal or binding agreement between you the consumer/customer and Watt Wagons LLC. That will be your purchase order as a legal and binding contract with Watt Wagons LLC. The data contained is for information purposes only…
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Edit History
3/16/2021 - Initial post….
3/17/2021 - Update some URL references to various items....
3/18/2021 - Disclaimer (thanks @Deacon Blues!) and Weight (thanks @skelm-!)
Titanium UC Pro (135mm QR or Thru Axle) Beautiful titanium frames!!!
Titanium Crosstour (170mm QR or Thru Axle)
Titanium Crosstour (197mm QR or Thru Axle) (made to order)
Travalanche (148mm Thru Axle)- Basically an Exess Bikes HP-E180 with a bunch of upgrades! The first WW FS offering before Hydra….
Take a look at this video to see what kind of stress testing is done to this frame... (OMG!)
Motor, Controller & Battery - The WW web page has the best information as to the Bafang Ultra motor, the Archon X1 power and battery options. The DERESTRICTED THROTTLE option allows you to program your throttle above 750W (1000W w/ Kindernay IGH option). This option will only allow you to break your drive train and is thus not advised. Just know that 750W is 1HP, 1500W is 2HP, and 2300W is 3.1HP. In the USA anything above 1HP or >28mph is considered a “Motor Bike” or “Moped”…
Colors- These are absolutely beautiful titanium frames. Do you really want to put paint on it??? The Travalanche comes in black(??).
Frame Dimensions- As of now, only the M and L frames are available. But I’m sure Pushkar can be persuaded to do others (S & XL) if you really encourage him to do so…
The Kindernay Option- The Kindernay IGH is an option, but not with a belt unless UC Pro (& Crosstour???). Belt is not currently available on the Travalanche…
With a belt drive, the Kindernay can accept as small as a 22T cog (14T chain), and potentially a 60T up front making for a pretty fast capable trail riding bike.
Rear Travel- The Travalanche is a full suspension frame with 180mm of rear travel. But here are the shock options….
Manitou Mara:
Suntour Tri Air 3CR:
Manitou Mara Pro:
Fox Float X2 w/ Kashima coat:
Front Forks – This depends upon what you have configured, but below is what is available and the web page specs for the same. Fork steerer tube (1.5 inch standard) will come uncut with several spacers to allow you to custom fit your ride for comfort.
Suntour Aeon(Aion??) 32 Boost: Comes standard.
Suntour Auron: for a little more…
Manitou Mezzer Pro: Is also available as an option…
Fox 38 e-Optimized: Again available as an option.
Manitou Mastodon: Available for 26x3.5-4.0 Fatbike wheel builds (29er too!). I assume this is the Pro Extended model with 120mm of travel based on FaceBook/Instagram photos and specs. @pushkar to confirm.
Carbon Wheel Build Options- Though not mentioned as an option, I’m sure @pushkar would make them an option if desired. There are 27.5x2.4 (standard) and 26x3.5-4.0 wheel builds available. The FAT Crosstour can do 26x3.5-4.0 on that Manitou Mastodon (possibly larger!)…
Headset & Seat Post Clamp– Frames sets can add headsets and seat post clamps….
Stem and Bars - The Salsa Bend Bar 23degree and the Surly Moloco are bar options. It uses the 35mm bar standard (not 31.8!) as mentioned here. All of the forks use a 1.5 inch steerer tube….
Cranks – You can get 170mm aluminum or 165mm carbon cranks. Both use the rather old ISIS standard used on the Bafang Ultra motor BB.
Pedals – The Crank Brothers Stamp 1 or Protaper ZuZu will be offered depending upon availability as an option. But the Crank Brothers Stamp 3 and Stamp 7 are also available options.
Saddle- The Ergon SMC saddle is one option but can be upgraded to the Ergon Core Prime. Another available option is the rooks B17.
Dropper/Seat Post- There are three offerings for seat posts. The seat post standard is 31.6mm as stated here. There are the Kinect Suspension, Manitou Jack and Rock Shox C1 posts available.
Brakes- Magura MT5e come standard and Hayes Dominion A4 are available as a load stopping upgrade.
Grips- Ergon GP1, GA2 or GP5 grips are available as options. If you are thinking bar ends, you might want to consider the upgrade grips…
Tax & Shipping- Unfortunately you can't avoid the taxman and @pushkar will have to collect local state taxes. Not sure of VAT or other taxes outside the USA. For shipping there is a $300 flat-rate shipping anywhere within USA.
Bike Classification Sticker- Not Installed…
Ballpark Weight – There are many posts in the forum regarding weight. Do a search on WEIGHT and you will see the min weight is 50lbs and max mentioned is 73 pounds with 58 pounds being mentioned most often. This all depends upon your particular bike and how you build it. Hopefully people with actual bikes will reply in this thread with their weights for their particular bike and I will update this. But really folks, with 2.3kW of motor power, do you want to be a weight weenie???
If you like the post, please press the “LIKE” button…
-BB
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: BarnBoy is not affiliated with Watt Wagons LLC in any way, shape or form. The data contained in this “Unofficial” FAQ does not constitute any legal or binding agreement between you the consumer/customer and Watt Wagons LLC. That will be your purchase order as a legal and binding contract with Watt Wagons LLC. The data contained is for information purposes only…
*****
Edit History
3/16/2021 - Initial post….
3/17/2021 - Update some URL references to various items....
3/18/2021 - Disclaimer (thanks @Deacon Blues!) and Weight (thanks @skelm-!)
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