The transition

Yes that would be nice, but even a Manhatten style world effort for the next thirty years wouldnt touch it, theyre running out of equipment for data centres already.

I dont own shares in BP you know, I just post the reality, I couldnt give a t0ZZ if all the oil barons went bust, except maybe our pensions.

Local generation, personal responsibility, vastly reduce goods movement, roof solar that you rely on and public generation for people too poor to buy it or the intelligence to use it properly.
But we still need to power the police, the refuse collection, sanitation, civil service, farming, food production, hospitals. the forces, manufacturing, recycling.

The reality is netzero means you are going to have to reel in your life unless you make steps to personally create your energy
 
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Chargeride said:
Yes that would be nice, but even a Manhatten style world effort for the next thirty years wouldnt touch it, theyre running out of equipment for data centres already.

I dont own shares in BP you know, I just post the reality, I couldnt give a t0ZZ if all the oil barons went bust, except maybe our pensions.

Local generation, personal responsibility, vastly reduce goods movement, roof solar that you rely on and public generation for people too poor to buy it or the intelligence to use it properly.
But we still need to power the police, the refuse collection, sanitation, civil service, farming, food production, hospitals. the forces, manufacturing, recycling.

The reality is netzero means you are going to have to reel in your life unless you make steps to personally create your energy
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Look around you. Take farms, they are more worried about climate change then anyone and are seeing the increased fuel prices as a real threat. Solar uptake is growing, all those winter sheds. Farms make ideal Solar/wind/battery HQs - the farm vehicles don't need to go far and so battery tech is ideal. The Diesel & heating costs are killing them. I grew up on a farm, the worry about weather and harvest is very real. can make or break a year. And the army aagin with a lot of land is fast implementing solar and EVs. Industry by Industry all are starting to adapt, some quicker (because its easier) then others. And we're on an ebike site for christ sake - the mini revolution f cargo bikes rather then van has huge transport implacations. Again, this is transition, its not a headline grabbing process by and large but happening quietly.

Date centres by the way are the spawn of the devil, the physical manifestation of ponzi scheme bullshit. Burn them all.
 
The problem is that fossil use is going up not down, co2 is going up not down.

Yes, absolute global fossil fuel consumption and production continue to rise

The key trends driving this include:
  • Record Overall Demand: Total global energy and electricity consumption is surging, particularly in developing economies in the Global South (like India and China), which require massive amounts of power to lift living standards.
  • Coal's Persistence: Coal continues to grow in major Asian economies, offsetting usage declines in Europe and North America.
  • Oil and Gas Growth: Consumption for both oil and natural gas remains at or near all-time highs. ...Our World in Data
 
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Chargeride said:
The problem is that fossil use is going up not down, co2 is going up not down.

Yes, absolute global fossil fuel consumption and production continue to rise

The key trends driving this include:
  • Record Overall Demand: Total global energy and electricity consumption is surging, particularly in developing economies in the Global South (like India and China), which require massive amounts of power to lift living standards.
  • Coal's Persistence: Coal continues to grow in major Asian economies, offsetting usage declines in Europe and North America.
  • Oil and Gas Growth: Consumption for both oil and natural gas remains at or near all-time highs. ...Our World in Data
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It's more nuanced situ. The reason it's going up is the extra demand from developing nations but the rate it's going up has slowed dramatically and renewables as demonstrated by that UK graph, are sky rocketing.

I dealt with China's situation earlier in this thread vis a vi coal and renewables. Africa is a mixed bag, the surprise being the big uptake of renewables for economic reasons, not so much climate, likewise EVs in Asia, massive growth - but in all these cases its moving from zero a few years ago, so will take time to eat into established fossils use.

The Oil use picture internationally is mixed as well, some areas the same or an increase, other areas like Europe showing a historic decrease that has Oil firms talking in alarm about it potentially reaching the point of being uneconomical for the pumping/transport/refining business. In other words it's patchy and this is not helped by $$$$$ PR/Propaganda and political leaders like Trump, Putin etc, all designed to slow down or reverse transition. Its why Farage will be a disaster here. Rather a white knight (literally) that his supporters hope, he'll put the country back 20 years, which, is probably what they hope! Though not what they will actually like.
 
I dont think he can fix a thing, but if he gets in at least we can say democracy kind of still works.
Restore are just ludicrous, the stuff that comes up on my feed.
 
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I'll say it again and again. If you think it is okay (or even cute and funny) to joke about harming or killing people because they caused you a short delay you are seriously messed up. And should not be allowed to operate any motorized vehicle under any circumstances until your issues are resolved in a healthy fashion.
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That is the person I blocked. I do not recall the name but I do not want to be exposed.
 
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The "whole new approach" has been here for a while. Subsidize solar to homeowners that have capability to make use of it, and then charge every ratepayer for the privilege of giving them a break on their bill. This is why I pay some of the highest electric rates in the country. My transmission fees dwarf my usage. Things are going back to the serfs and the kings.
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been headed that way a long time.
 
The cheapest option at the moment in the UK is to buy a battery and download at night and time heavy use using suitable price plans.

Buying solar is more expensive, but obviously in your control.

But at our latitude, the same as Nova Scotia we dont get much sun and lots of cloud and rain.
Solar farms in north UK are just subsidy driven investor jollies.

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Another issue is poor connectivity for remote windfarms results in investors getting paid more to stop generation than provide it.

Seagreen windfarm in Scotland is clearly woefully located from the perspective of the consumer, and excellently placed for SSE and the other shareholders. Because so much of its potential output could not be used, its load factor was a mere 14% in 2024. To put this in context, government expects offshore load factors to be in the region of 40%. However, this extremely low productivity does not translate into lower earnings for the wind farm. On the contrary, it actually earns more than it would by selling to the market. This paradoxical outcome arises because Seagreen gets paid as if it had actually generated and sold the electricity, and on top of that charges an extra premium per MWh for reducing output. Bad though this is for the consumer, further insult is added to the injury because the System Operator must now bring the market back into physical balance by purchasing electricity equivalent to the constrained volume from a generator south of the grid constraint.
 
I just dont trust them not to be cooking the books.
Firstly they say so many GWs of installed renewable that can power X amount of homes, but thats the plate rating, that farm is running at 14% of its plate rating.
 
Chargeride said:
Another issue is poor connectivity for remote windfarms results in investors getting paid more to stop generation than provide it.

Seagreen windfarm in Scotland is clearly woefully located from the perspective of the consumer, and excellently placed for SSE and the other shareholders. Because so much of its potential output could not be used, its load factor was a mere 14% in 2024. To put this in context, government expects offshore load factors to be in the region of 40%. However, this extremely low productivity does not translate into lower earnings for the wind farm. On the contrary, it actually earns more than it would by selling to the market. This paradoxical outcome arises because Seagreen gets paid as if it had actually generated and sold the electricity, and on top of that charges an extra premium per MWh for reducing output. Bad though this is for the consumer, further insult is added to the injury because the System Operator must now bring the market back into physical balance by purchasing electricity equivalent to the constrained volume from a generator south of the grid constraint.
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Sounds like they need to build a datacenter or two up there.

BTW, you Brits are still doing things the hard way. Why bother building the wind farm at all just to work the system for profit? Here in America you can get paid a billion dollars just to not build a wind farm in the first place.
 
I mean they do work, the tech is solid, the power outputs are legit, they put then in areas with well researched high wind areas.
But all the brochures leave out a major issue of actually connecting them usefully to the present grid, they are shifting to DC connectivity and introducing inertia with local flywheels, even huge ones in disused power stations.
I feel that because this is a noble cause people are allowing the usual bllshtting politicians ,shyster corporations and venture capitalists too much leeway in taking the pss.
It will work, it can work..its just physics, but its not the cheapest.
I would say solar is more realistic, all the wind turbines make 2% of world energy.
25X more of them for 50%.

Thats an utterly insane amount of materials maintenance and construction.
 
Chargeride said:
I mean they do work, the tech is solid, the power outputs are legit, they put then in areas with well researched high wind areas.
But all the brochures leave out a major issue of actually connecting them usefully to the present grid, they are shifting to DC connectivity and introducing inertia with local flywheels, even huge ones in disused power stations.
I feel that because this is a noble cause people are allowing the usual bllshtting politicians ,shyster corporations and venture capitalists too much leeway in taking the pss.
It will work, it can work..its just physics, but its not the cheapest.
I would say solar is more realistic, all the wind turbines make 2% of world energy.
25X more of them for 50%.

Thats an utterly insane amount of materials maintenance and construction.
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you do not want howling winds,you want steady moderate mono directional winds( a bit less then 20 mph according to my ken) OTH you could make enclosed volute turbines that could use more"Helter skelter " wind,some of the roof top systems can be designed like this,much is possible. our fair county board(DAs one and all) have preempted wind energy-cant disturb remote almost invisible ridge lines(its an imaginary thing called a viewshed,the best sites are actually a bit too fast and wind from all directions-ask the folks who get blew off the runways at "Ingalls field" heck of a spot for a airport,its turning into a gated community,Folks! With more zoning restrictions and HOAs sure to follow pray for small nuclear reactors and the biggy"ZP" energy,don't get to close or you will be erased( too much money and control at stake)
 
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ENOUGH OF ALL THIS OLD MAN WORRYING ABOUT THE FUTURE SHITE!

Here's some good ol' cycling.

Bikes! Remember them?

People having fun for no money no celebrity no followers nothing but LETS GOOOOO!!

 
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