The"Tech tree".

I want to look into a big battery backup but a portable battery and inverter packaged with 4 panel looks like a minimum starter for off grid electric power. @Solarcabin did a video on it somewhere.
 
Anyway for all the appeal of cooking or heating with gas (a concept bolstered by aggressive lobbying and advertising from the natural gas industry), it emits greenhouse gases ( methane) into the atmosphere, and as much as 75 percent of these emissions occur when the stove is off, unlike cars that don't pollute unless you turn them on.

So how then shall we get around? I'm following @tomjasz thread on Electric Trycycles here https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/committed-day-6-red-trike.46947/
And this trike proves that you don't need the laws of physics if you have enough style (and tailfins)
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I heard a while ago that the most wonderful smell in Chicago was a chocolate factory and someone complained to the EPA, so it got shut down. It would smell like mom was making brownies. My workshop is by the largest coffee roaster in the West. They are not allowed, with NDAs, to talk about who they roast for, but it is just about everyone. The smell is so good. But someone complained. I just took this photo. They were ordered to install this giant air scrubber. It took removing a couple of banks of solar panels and pouring a large concrete slab. Then they had to install a giant backup diesel generator to the left, so if the power grid went down they could still scrub the smell of fresh roasted coffee from the air by producing diesel soot.
Here is the chocolate smell map from about eight years ago. https://chicagococoasmell-blog.tumblr.com/
Here is the new coffee air scrubber.
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I often drive through Hershey PA. Same story, different day.
 
I often drive through Hershey PA. Same story, different day.
This clearly states that it is unencumbered by facts. It is like the Onion. This is silly entertainment. Such as, kids that are born like a Kit-Kat bar.
 
I want to look into a big battery backup but a portable battery and inverter packaged with 4 panel looks like a minimum starter for off grid electric power. @Solarcabin did a video on it somewhere.
I have been noodling an idea for a portable pack, of which there are many available on the market currently (sic), even get one in Costco. However I have a different concept of how it would all be in regards to amount of Ah's and portability but also if needed for emergency use at home. The portability part is going to require some faster charge rates due to the size, probably around 50ah's, which can fully charge my eBike 780wh battery 4 times and still provide enough for some LED lighting at the campsite. As mentioned some folding solar panels for whatever they can provide while stationary and away from the grid. And having it be easily moved around, approx. 30lbs of battery, and small enough to store easily also.

Bottom line for me is that you can have a battery and an inverter and you have the potential for 120v easily at a wide range of pricing.

I found this tid bit on a guy using his 52v eBike battery interesting however cause we all have eBike batteries.....
 
I have been noodling an idea for a portable pack, of which there are many available on the market currently (sic), even get one in Costco. However I have a different concept of how it would all be in regards to amount of Ah's and portability but also if needed for emergency use at home. The portability part is going to require some faster charge rates due to the size, probably around 50ah's, which can fully charge my eBike 780wh battery 4 times and still provide enough for some LED lighting at the campsite. As mentioned some folding solar panels for whatever they can provide while stationary and away from the grid. And having it be easily moved around, approx. 30lbs of battery, and small enough to store easily also.

Bottom line for me is that you can have a battery and an inverter and you have the potential for 120v easily at a wide range of pricing.

I found this tid bit on a guy using his 52v eBike battery interesting however cause we all have eBike batteries.....
I wonder how long I can run my kitchen on a pair of Como batteries?
 
I haven't read much sci fi in a long time, but I used to be addicted to it. Recently during the "pest", I reread some that I kept through the years and have to admit my "younger self" liked some real schlock, but there were some real gems as well. I really liked the idea that the future was open to any possibility...
I disagree with you totally about Dune. I think it gets better with every reading! (Even if it sort of an addlepated mix of mid-east politics and mysticism with a healthy dose of acid.) Fear IS the mind-killer!
 
The devil tells me that I would really, really like a propane fireplace installed.

Having lived in areas of the country where winter storms caused power outages, I am nervous about my all electric house. I don't want the mess of firewood and I've sold my chainsaws.

Some trivia: Back in the 50s and 60s, it was cool to have all electric houses in this part of the country, and some towns strived to be chimneyless. All this was due to the dam building on the Columbia River.
Yeah, I hear you on the fireplace. And on the all-or-nothing thinking. I use very small fire logs in our old fireplace and only use them once a week or so in the winter -- maybe a dozen logs a year, 20 on the coldest years... we sit in front of an electric heater that has a fake fire in front, so we're getting real heat from the fake fire while we watch the fake firelog fire. (I think the firelog does add about one or two degrees of heat if you sit right next to it!)
I do let the inside temperature to get down to 56 on nights when it is 9 outside with wind gusts of 40 mph.
Had to laugh at this... our house is so poorly insulated that it's 52 degrees inside when it's 45 outside with a 10 MPH wind! We have had temperatures as low as 48 or 49 indoors--- it actually does get into the 30s in Los Angeles on some rare nights-- and high temperatures of over 110 in the rooms with southwestern exposure.

I'm fond of saying that our house is like a ski resort in late spring: Not all of it is open, and for d*mn good reason!

I still have not gotten science fiction out of my system. Biologically, I'm almost ready for social security, but when I'm feeling self-indulgent, I think like a 15-year-old. I was outraged last week that my cheapo phone broke after only three years and I had to buy another cheapo phone, which is about as exciting for me as buying toilet paper. However, I found the solution: A new, zoidoid-looking alternate futuristic aluminum case for it! Makes me feel like a character in The Expanse...

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I disagree with you totally about Dune. I think it gets better with every reading! (Even if it sort of an addlepated mix of mid-east politics and mysticism with a healthy dose of acid.) Fear IS the mind-killer!
The story back then was that Dune was written at a summer writers retreat that featured very good grass as well as mysticism. The author added the giant worms after seeing some real worms in the garden compost.Terra forming was just an idea at the time.
 
Yeah, I hear you on the fireplace. And on the all-or-nothing thinking. I use very small fire logs in our old fireplace and only use them once a week or so in the winter -- maybe a dozen logs a year, 20 on the coldest years... we sit in front of an electric heater that has a fake fire in front, so we're getting real heat from the fake fire while we watch the fake firelog fire. (I think the firelog does add about one or two degrees of heat if you sit right next to it!)

Had to laugh at this... our house is so poorly insulated that it's 52 degrees inside when it's 45 outside with a 10 MPH wind! We have had temperatures as low as 48 or 49 indoors--- it actually does get into the 30s in Los Angeles on some rare nights-- and high temperatures of over 110 in the rooms with southwestern exposure.

I'm fond of saying that our house is like a ski resort in late spring: Not all of it is open, and for d*mn good reason!

I still have not gotten science fiction out of my system. Biologically, I'm almost ready for social security, but when I'm feeling self-indulgent, I think like a 15-year-old. I was outraged last week that my cheapo phone broke after only three years and I had to buy another cheapo phone, which is about as exciting for me as buying toilet paper. However, I found the solution: A new, zoidoid-looking alternate futuristic aluminum case for it! Makes me feel like a character in The Expanse...

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The "golden age" of science fiction was about 15. Apparently "Stranger in a Strange Land" was required reading in the early days of Microsoft, so maybe 25 tops.
 
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I have been noodling an idea for a portable pack, of which there are many available on the market currently (sic), even get one in Costco. However I have a different concept of how it would all be in regards to amount of Ah's and portability but also if needed for emergency use at home. The portability part is going to require some faster charge rates due to the size, probably around 50ah's, which can fully charge my eBike 780wh battery 4 times and still provide enough for some LED lighting at the campsite. As mentioned some folding solar panels for whatever they can provide while stationary and away from the grid. And having it be easily moved around, approx. 30lbs of battery, and small enough to store easily also.

Bottom line for me is that you can have a battery and an inverter and you have the potential for 120v easily at a wide range of pricing.

I found this tid bit on a guy using his 52v eBike battery interesting however cause we all have eBike batteries.....
Yeah I saw something like that on endless sphere, but couldn't find it. Using Ebike batteries to power the house side of a camper van.
Likely it could work. Also likely it could fail spectacularly and end up adding to one of the ebike fire threads. 😀
 
Another somewhat improbable bit of science fact that @Sierratim linked to in the green room

Our mission is to replace all of the motors in the world,” Morris said.

Every EV uses rare earth minerals to get better performance of their electric motors,” he continued. “They’re expensive, destructive to mine and China controls 95% of the global supply chain for them. We do not use any exotic materials, rare earth minerals or magnets… We’re replacing that with very advanced software and computation. It’s the first time Moore’s law applies to the motor.”

 
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And a very improbable investment opportunity.
 
Like the "tree" in your title, technology has branches that grow independently.

If we go all out on the branch labeled "fossil fuels", the branch labeled "renewables" may wither.
Like the way heavier than air flight took off and zeppelins didn't, or Physics research got funded by the military and Biology didn't.

Maybe it's time to correct some of that imbalance.0 gave
Lighter than air, is due to make a comeback. The Nazis gave Zeppelins( plus cheap fossil fuel) a black eye after the depression not to mention all the Auto companies and trucks as well destroying the mass transit infrastructure
This is another area where all or nothing thinking tends to dominate. One can have wood/propane back up in case of emergency, without using it on a daily basis. Just like one can have (or rent!) a large vehicle/truck when needed, without using one on a daily basis when not necessary (I do realize many people actually do need and use daily, but not nearly as many as just have them for show).
I do that myself I have a small woodstove in a well insulated addition I built on the ugh" manufactured house I live in
 
I just hate seeing those outdoor heaters. "So we're heating up the great outdoors so self-centered diners can eat outside without actually being outside, while simultaneously burning away petroleum which we are sending soldiers to die for in the Middle East?? Like, REALLY??" (This was in the Before Time.)
Total agreement, I go in the big lumber company( public scalping stores) and see these things and I think"WTF?"
 
The devil tells me that I would really, really like a propane fireplace installed.

Having lived in areas of the country where winter storms caused power outages, I am nervous about my all electric house. I don't want the mess of firewood and I've sold my chainsaws.

Some trivia: Back in the 50s and 60s, it was cool to have all electric houses in this part of the country, and some towns strived to be chimneyless. All this was due to the dam building on the Columbia River.
If you install one( propane log) make sure it is vented, the moisture and fumes will literally make you sick.
I live in an area where the electricity is produced with coal, and natural gas from Texas/Louisiana is cheaply available in the home. Because the heat transfer is so slow between electric stove burners and the pot, I fry and heat water with gas. I do a lot of cooking with the microwave, but that doesn't work on everything.
I heat the kitchen end of the house with natural gas. 100% efficient. The living room end of the house I heat with an unvented gas heater. 100% efficient. The experts tell me I will kill myself. Not yet. Direct gas didn't kill my grandmother, either. This house is NOT sealed with plastic sheet, the walls breathe. Top side is insulated with fiberglass. 4 walls are insulated with fire retardant newspaper. My gas costs were under $120 a month this winter, which was colder than average. I do let the inside temperature to get down to 56 on nights when it is 9 outside with wind gusts of 40 mph. I don't heat or cool the summer camp, it is drafty. It is cool enough in the summers with just a fan.
I've looked at solar panels, but it rains 220 days a year here. Won't pay off IMHO. Not enough windy days to pay off either. Green energy here is burning methane from county dumps in diesel generators.
Where I really save energy is gasoline & diesel. I used 3 gal gasoline last year mow my city lawn. I put 20 gal gas in a U-haul truck to transport a mower deck from city to the summer camp. I used ~40 gal diesel to mow my 23 acres at the summer camp. If the area is not mowed, it grows up in trash trees like locust & basswood. That sort of scrub land has 1/3 the value of mowed land. I'm too close to cashing out to let it go. I put 20 gal gas in the wife's car to take a short vacation in a nearby state. That's it. The wife drives everywhere, but the car gets 30 mpg city 48 mpg freeway.
Let me add this basswood and Locust do not have to "trash trees Locust given a little time will produce superlative firewood and basswood if managed and allowed to grow big enough makes very pretty paneling, fire retardant newspaper seems to burn fairly well, little brother and me took down a doublewide insulated in the roof with "cellulose insulation', the fire started with a grease fire in the kitchen and it looked like the ground up newspaper was burning merrily along, the house was severely damaged. We insulated a floor with that ground-up insulation and I will never use that stuff again it was incredibly corrosive and PITA to install, however it is a very good insulator, nuff said on that matter. It seems the all-electric house concept was fueled by the "nuclear energy boom " in part, the Nuclear plant at Surrey has produced megawatts of clean, zero death or sickness electricity for decades
These days I have a "Strangelovian" affair with nuclear energy( I used to be scared of radiation before I did the research and watched the mtns of coal ash grow) that being said I truly believe the best new power plants would be very cheap( they are called"conservation" BTW the "North Anna" nuclear plant is built on a "fault" go figure!)
 
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