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Tesla Model 3 batteries show impressive fire resistance despite damage from high-speed crash

Simon Alvarez

BySimon Alvarez

Posted on August 1, 2019

A high-speed accident involving a Model 3 crashing into a pole recently provided an impressive look at the fire-resistant capabilities of Tesla’s batteries. Despite major damage to the vehicle and two of the battery modules being breached from the violent impact, none of the Model 3’s 2170 cells burst into flame.

Insights from the Model 3 crash were shared recently at the r/TeslaMotors subreddit by u/Yaro_S, who rebuilds Tesla cars. Writing about the Model 3, the electric car enthusiast admitted that he didn’t expect the damage to the vehicle to be as serious as it was. A look at the damaged vehicle suggested that the Model 3 hit a pole at high-speed, forcing the front electric motor into the driver side’s footwell and puncturing the battery pack in the process.

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A damaged Tesla Model 3 battery pack. (Photo: Yaro_S/Reddit)

Images of the vehicle as it was being parted out showed that the crash had damaged two of the Model 3’s battery modules. Interestingly, and as observed by the rebuilder, none of the battery cells caught fire despite the extensive damage from the high-speed accident. Interestingly, one cell showed signs that it got to a very hot temperature, but instead of burning, the cell seemed to have started melting instead.

The rebuilder noted that the damage to the Model 3’s battery pack was the worst he has seen in a Tesla to date, exceeding a previous project that involved a pack that was punctured from the bottom. Overall, while the damage to the vehicle was quite chilling, the r/TeslaMotors subreddit community member remarked that he came away extremely impressed at the fire-resistant capabilities of Tesla’s batteries.

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A damaged Tesla Model 3 battery pack. (Photo: Yaro_S/Reddit)

It is no exaggeration to state that the backbone of Tesla’s entire business lies in its battery technology, from its electric cars like the Model 3 to its energy storage products like the recently-announced Megapack. It is then unsurprising to see Tesla dedicate a significant part of its efforts in constantly improving its batteries. This was mentioned previously by Automotive President Jerome Guillen, who noted in an interview that the design of Tesla’s battery cells are always in a process of improvement. “The design of the cell is not frozen. It evolves, and we have a nice roadmap of technology improvements for the coming years,” Guillen said.

Some of Tesla’s improvements to its batteries have been teased in previously published patents. One of these, which was published last July, involved a system that allows the company to isolate the damage caused by failed cells to specific sections of a battery pack, allowing the company to save the integrity of functional battery cells that are otherwise undamaged.

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A damaged Tesla Model 3 battery pack. (Photo: Yaro_S/Reddit)
H/T Jon Hast.
 
Tesla Model 3 batteries show impressive fire resistance despite damage from high-speed crash

Simon Alvarez

BySimon Alvarez

Posted on August 1, 2019

A high-speed accident involving a Model 3 crashing into a pole recently provided an impressive look at the fire-resistant capabilities of Tesla’s batteries. Despite major damage to the vehicle and two of the battery modules being breached from the violent impact, none of the Model 3’s 2170 cells burst into flame.

Insights from the Model 3 crash were shared recently at the r/TeslaMotors subreddit by u/Yaro_S, who rebuilds Tesla cars. Writing about the Model 3, the electric car enthusiast admitted that he didn’t expect the damage to the vehicle to be as serious as it was. A look at the damaged vehicle suggested that the Model 3 hit a pole at high-speed, forcing the front electric motor into the driver side’s footwell and puncturing the battery pack in the process.

tesla-model-3-battery-pack-after-crash-1024x768.jpg
A damaged Tesla Model 3 battery pack. (Photo: Yaro_S/Reddit)

Images of the vehicle as it was being parted out showed that the crash had damaged two of the Model 3’s battery modules. Interestingly, and as observed by the rebuilder, none of the battery cells caught fire despite the extensive damage from the high-speed accident. Interestingly, one cell showed signs that it got to a very hot temperature, but instead of burning, the cell seemed to have started melting instead.

The rebuilder noted that the damage to the Model 3’s battery pack was the worst he has seen in a Tesla to date, exceeding a previous project that involved a pack that was punctured from the bottom. Overall, while the damage to the vehicle was quite chilling, the r/TeslaMotors subreddit community member remarked that he came away extremely impressed at the fire-resistant capabilities of Tesla’s batteries.

tesla-model-3-battery-pack-after-crash-1-1024x768.jpg
A damaged Tesla Model 3 battery pack. (Photo: Yaro_S/Reddit)

It is no exaggeration to state that the backbone of Tesla’s entire business lies in its battery technology, from its electric cars like the Model 3 to its energy storage products like the recently-announced Megapack. It is then unsurprising to see Tesla dedicate a significant part of its efforts in constantly improving its batteries. This was mentioned previously by Automotive President Jerome Guillen, who noted in an interview that the design of Tesla’s battery cells are always in a process of improvement. “The design of the cell is not frozen. It evolves, and we have a nice roadmap of technology improvements for the coming years,” Guillen said.

Some of Tesla’s improvements to its batteries have been teased in previously published patents. One of these, which was published last July, involved a system that allows the company to isolate the damage caused by failed cells to specific sections of a battery pack, allowing the company to save the integrity of functional battery cells that are otherwise undamaged.

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A damaged Tesla Model 3 battery pack. (Photo: Yaro_S/Reddit)
H/T Jon Hast.



Is the Model S less safe then 3 ?
B/c the S unfortunately had those issues in China 2x ....in the parking garage...from smoke to nothing...
 
Is it the cells or the incredible cooling system and design...
 
If the cells were at a low state of charge, that would make them more difficult to catch fire. I don't think there is any special cells in that car. Not yet anyway.
 
If the cells were at a low state of charge, that would make them more difficult to catch fire.
I wonder, it seems that at any state of charge with the right conditions, or lack of protection circuits, any cell can be volatile.
Not an argument, really more of a curiosity as to how true that is.
 
The safety at low state of charge is why shipping regulations mandate lipo batteries be shipped at 3.75. I think Li-on are shipped even lower. If someone were to take a battery at 3.7 volts and dead shorted it, you would find it wont catch fire. It might get a little hot but most likely not catch fire. Take a battery at 4.2 and dead short it and you will see the flames. I know there YT videos showing this but I don't care to look for them.
 
interesting. I intentionally shorted a 3.7V battery and it went up in smoke. I tore down a very low voltage cell and the interior material started smoking. Again, not arguing, just that I've seen different results.

I'll do an experiment soon and see what happens. But with Lipo they will flame out at under voltages.
lipo batteries
Perhaps that's just a mistype? We're on Lithium ion NMC and similar, no?
 
3.70 or 3.79 also smoking is better than flames right. :)
The chance of fire is greatly reduced at lower voltage. That's why it's the law when shipping lithium.
 
3.70 or 3.79 also smoking is better than flames right. :)
The chance of fire is greatly reduced at lower voltage. That's why it's the law when shipping lithium.
I’m not as confident, but see the point.
 
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