TCD2 or TCU mastermind on older Vado SL?

kahn said:
Before my ride I could not pair my 1030+ to my Creo. After the ride I found that I had two sensors with the same NUMERIC but different icons (cadence icon and a barbell icon). I deleted those and then found an "e-bike sensor" and did that. I guess I should head back down and see what fields are now available.
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Similar issues (but less) plagued me with a Wahoo ELEMNT Roam in the beginning. However, it was my brother who made all mistakes possible with his Edge 530 when he connected it to his Giant Trance E+:
  • Giant e-bikes have the Fake Channel on, which gives you three sensors: Power, Cadence, and E-Bike. Jacek connected all three sensors!
  • Then he experimented with E-Bike Field, luckily noticing he didn't need it whatsoever
  • Each of the three selected Sensors had its own Wheel Circumference...
Eventually, my brother could master the Edge and clean the havoc he created himself! It took him MONTHS to understand his Edge & Giant!
 
Stefan Mikes said:
Similar issues (but less) plagued me with a Wahoo ELEMNT Roam in the beginning. However, it was my brother who made all mistakes possible with his Edge 530 when he connected it to his Giant Trance E+:
  • Giant e-bikes have the Fake Channel on, which gives you three sensors: Power, Cadence, and E-Bike. Jacek connected all three sensors!
  • Then he experimented with E-Bike Field, luckily noticing he didn't need it whatsoever
  • Each of the three selected Sensors had its own Wheel Circumference...
Eventually, my brother could master the Edge and clean the havoc he created himself! It took him MONTHS to understand his Edge & Giant!
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Oh, that's what I need THREE wheel circumferences/circumferenci (g)
 
kahn said:
Before my ride I could not pair my 1030+ to my Creo. After the ride I found that I had two sensors with the same NUMERIC but different icons (cadence icon and a barbell icon). I deleted those and then found an "e-bike sensor" and did that. I guess I should head back down and see what fields are now available.
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Yes, you can connect the bike as individual "standard" sensors such as cadence and power, or can see it as one big device with multiple data outputs. Older GPS devices don't support the LEV profile and must use the standard interfaces.
 
rochrunner said:
Yes, you can connect the bike as individual "standard" sensors such as cadence and power, or can see it as one big device with multiple data outputs. Older GPS devices don't support the LEV profile and must use the standard interfaces.
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Time to create one new empty page and see what fields I can throw in it. Then move/add stuff to where I can find it.
 
I'm now back with some questions about the fields

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Well, clearly the assist mode was not designed for the Creo/etc. It shows 1, 3 or 5. Fine.

Avg Power xx W - displayed no values while riding. Is there some way to use it or it is a waste of space.

VAM is a new one on me but I looked it up. What do folks use it for? What is it telling me?

Travel Range kept that value so what is it good for???

So that leaves me with additional questions. I have not explored all of the other fields. What else can the 1030+ show me about my Creo while moving? Does it show my power and its power? What else? I had not selected a Cadence field until I got home so I don't know if it will show a real value while moving.
 
kahn said:
I'm now back with some questions about the fields

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Well, clearly the assist mode was not designed for the Creo/etc. It shows 1, 3 or 5. Fine.

Avg Power xx W - displayed no values while riding. Is there some way to use it or it is a waste of space.

VAM is a new one on me but I looked it up. What do folks use it for? What is it telling me?

Travel Range kept that value so what is it good for???

So that leaves me with additional questions. I have not explored all of the other fields. What else can the 1030+ show me about my Creo while moving? Does it show my power and its power? What else? I had not selected a Cadence field until I got home so I don't know if it will show a real value while moving.
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VAM is basically the rate of vertical ascent in metres per hour. Not much use unless you ride in big mountains and are training for Tour de France. I don’t see much point in average power either, at least not during a ride. Maybe useful after finishing a ride so see how it compares to other rides.

Somewhere in Garmin help there should be an explanation of all available fields.

I have never seen a field for the SL motor power level but you sought of know that from your own power level and the assist mode.

One change I did from the Mission Control app was to change the 35/35 and 60/60 boost settings to 35/100 and 60/100. There didn’t seem any point limiting the available boost power if I was able to generate the required power. For example, the default settings means the motor boost would be limited whenever my power exceeded 250 W which is possible for short periods and most likely at times when more boost would be nice.
 
kahn said:
Travel Range kept that value so what is it good for???
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It does not work for our generation TCUs @kahn. It probably works for Mastermind TCU. (It works for Giant e-bikes).

I use these fields on the Workout Data Page of my Wahoo (Garmin can display exactly the same fields although the names might be different):
  • Current Speed
  • Distance (workout)
  • Active Time
  • Time of Day
  • Temperature
  • LEV Battery
  • Distance Remaining (selected course)
  • Cadence
  • Avg Power (3s)
  • LEV Travel Mode
  • Avg Speed (workout)
Map Data Page:
  • Current Speed
  • Distance Next Cue
  • Time of Day
  • LEV Travel Mode
The green fields are taken directly or indirectly from the e-bike.
 
Richard Stallard said:
VAM is basically the rate of vertical ascent in metres per hour. Not much use unless you ride in big mountains and are training for Tour de France. I don’t see much point in average power either, at least not during a ride. Maybe useful after finishing a ride so see how it compares to other rides.

Somewhere in Garmin help there should be an explanation of all available fields.

I have never seen a field for the SL motor power level but you sought of know that from your own power level and the assist mode.

One change I did from the Mission Control app was to change the 35/35 and 60/60 boost settings to 35/100 and 60/100. There didn’t seem any point limiting the available boost power if I was able to generate the required power. For example, the default settings means the motor boost would be limited whenever my power exceeded 250 W which is possible for short periods and most likely at times when more boost would be nice.
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@Stefan Mikes

Thanks for both replies. I will clean up and simplify my display pages. I already dumped the elevation profile since I rarely used it. During the ride - not really useful as I can tell when I'm going up a hill or went up a hill.

I have a number of those fields but spread out over too many pages with some of the same info displaying on multiple pages. I never cleaned up or really setup when I went from the Edge 1000 to the 1030+. Just quickly used it.

Today's rain should give me that opportunity. Followed by tomorrow's rain.....

edited to add: So CADENCE is captured/displayed by the Edge for the Creo by just using the "E-bike Sensor" (and not "adding a separate cadence sensor)?
 
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Stefan Mikes said:
Precisely. Same with the biker's power.
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Oh, wait, :), where's the Biker's Power value? I wonder what Garmin calls it. Oh, is that that "Avg Power 3s"? In my photo above, Avg Power never had a value while I was riding/pedaling.
 
anyone using a older garmin 820/830 how did you set it up did you download Garmin IQ E-bike app
 
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