Swalbe Smart Sam opinions

[Decrepidude]

700C is close to 29", way too big to put on a 27.5 rim (which is the same as a 650B)

ok, there's a 650

700C is close to 29", way too big to put on a 27.5 rim (which is the same as a 650B)

Ok, there's a 650 x 47C on the list, I just did the conversion and came up with ~26"...

 

[Alaskan]

ok, there's a 650

Ok, there's a 650 x 47C on the list, I just did the conversion and came up with ~26"...

you made some kind of error in your math on this one.

What are 650b or 27.5in wheels? Pros and cons for mountain and gravel bikes

Pros and cons of the 'halfway' 27.5in wheel size

www.bikeradar.com

 

[Decrepidude]

you made some kind of error in your math on this one.

What are 650b or 27.5in wheels? Pros and cons for mountain and gravel bikes

Pros and cons of the 'halfway' 27.5in wheel size

www.bikeradar.com

The error isn't mine, it's the vagaries of manufacturers' nomenclature...

 

[Alaskan]

Did you bother reading the article?

All I know is that a 650b Tire fits a 27.5' rim and vice versa It will not work on a 26" rim and vice versa

 

[Decrepidude]

Did you bother reading the article?

All I know is that a 650b Tire fits a 27.5' rim and vice versa It will not work on a 26" rim and vice versa

conversely, the tires marketed as 29 x 2.10 or 2.25 should fit on a 27.5 rim, to answer the OP's question. I understand what the article says, just think they should call things what they are, not confuse us with inaccuracies.

 

[Bitmugger]

conversely, the tires marketed as 29 x 2.10 or 2.25 should fit on a 27.5 rim, to answer the OP's question. I understand what the article says, just think they should call things what they are, not confuse us with inaccuracies.

You're saying a tire marketed as a 29" x 2.10 will fit on the 27.5 Moscow rims??

 

[Decrepidude]

I think it's a possibility... none of the diameters involved represent the true numbers, on the Schwalbe website, all their sizes are listed as 700 or 650, so the tire that is marketed as 29" will fit on a 700 rim, and in the real world of measurement, 27.5"=698.5mm... pretty close in my book, but only provable by trying or finding someone who's tried it.

 

[Alaskan]

Get the right size tire for your rims. Not smart at all to risk it detaching from the rim. At speed that could lead to serious injury.

 

[Decrepidude]

Get the right size tire for your rims. Not smart at all to risk it detaching from the rim. At speed that could lead to serious injury.

point taken

 

[Bitmugger]

From what I read online I think any notion of swapping 27.5" and 29" tires/rims is a non-starter.

A normal 27.5" rim will have a bead seat diameter (BSD) of 584mm, a 650b or 650+ (fat tires) will also be exactly 584mm and tires can be swapped among these rim sizes without concern of diameter (width might be a concern). BSD seems to be the defacto measurement of rim diameter.

A normal 29" rim will have a BSD of 622mm and 29+ fat tires are the same BSD (622mm) and cannot seat a 27.5" tire but can usually seat a 700c (but remember tire width is always an issue too).

NOTE: No experience with any of this.

 

[Decrepidude]

well, it's only one of many in their lineup, and a million other brands, so I guess Terreno Dry is not in your range of choices...

 

[Decrepidude]

I wasn't aware they don't come in 27.5, I can't imagine why... I did see a 26 at their site, (https://www.vittoria.com/us/en/tires/gravel-cross/terreno-dry) so maybe one of the 700 sizes will fit a 27.5 rim- wheel and tire sizes are weird these days... Graphene is one of those catchwords that get associated with everything. It's hard to prove it works, or helps, or even if it's really in them. I can see marketers saying "well they've got carbon, and graphene is made of carbon, so, it's kind of in there?" Sooner or later, science will make advances and graphene may live up to the hype.

Just found this very informative Youtube video explaining why graphene in Vittoria's 4C formulation

 

[Law]

its so thin....haha.

 

[soyabean]

Ok, there's a 650 x 47C on the list, I just did the conversion and came up with ~26"...

There is no "conversion".

You must always match the exact tire for the rim. That's one of the reasons for ETRTO.

If a desired tire is not in stock, there is no substitute. Keep on looking.

 

[john peck]

There is no "conversion".

You must always match the exact tire for the rim. That's one of the reasons for ETRTO.

If a desired tire is not in stock, there is no substitute. Keep on looking.

You would be surprised at the number of tires I´ve accumulated while I kept looking.

 

[Stencil]

Hi all. New to these forums. Currently riding a NCM Moscow M3 with Arisun Mt Cronos 27.5x2.35 tires (similar to Maxis). No complaints off-road but looking for more of an all-arounder. Been going back and forth between the Smart Sams and Johnny Watts.

I'm riding paved surfaces more frequently, but I still want a reliable performer off-road and on non-technical trails.

Are tires roughly equivalent on tarmac and paved surfaces? Which would be better for single-track with lots of roots and strewn rocks? (That's what we get here in the forests of North Carolina )


Thanks,