Stromer regen braking?

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I have my brake regen set very low.

For you mountain road riders, on long descents, how much braking power does max level
regen provide?
If you lightly apply brake lever and just engage max regen (and not the brake disc) will it noticeably slow your descent?

Or cruising on the level at 40 kph/ 25 mph, if you just engage the regen, how much will it slow you down?

Very curious about how much braking power that max regen can produce.
Thanks
 
I have my brake regen set very low.

For you mountain road riders, on long descents, how much braking power does max level
regen provide?
If you lightly apply brake lever and just engage max regen (and not the brake disc) will it noticeably slow your descent?

Or cruising on the level at 40 kph/ 25 mph, if you just engage the regen, how much will it slow you down?

Very curious about how much braking power that max regen can produce.
Thanks
Hi, IMO regen braking should be considered/seen as a byproduct of direct drive tech . The tiny amount of energy re-injected into the battery is so negligible , it becomes anecdotal. Unless you live in the Swiss Alps and ride looong steeeep descents that actually re-charge significantly your battery.
It is also a "cool" marketing sales point...:rolleyes:
 
he is asking how well it works as a drag brake.
Umm yeah... point taken ! my bad. if you keep hitting the minus button it will activate the motor brake which will very drastically slow your descent, to the point where you don't need to pull the brake lever at all. There are several levels of intensity that can be chosen to suit the situation. One ,therefore must choose the appropriate level of brake regen or it will stop you if the grade isn't steep enough.Very useful on long descents but not much fun.
On the flat lightly pulling the lever will activate the motor ( brake/ regen) and slow you down with the effect that the brake pads and rotors are less solicited and have a much longer usable life.
 
Hi, IMO regen braking should be considered/seen as a byproduct of direct drive tech . The tiny amount of energy re-injected into the battery is so negligible , it becomes anecdotal. Unless you live in the Swiss Alps and ride looong steeeep descents that actually re-charge significantly your battery.
It is also a "cool" marketing sales point...:rolleyes:
I would disagree. Have you used the recoup function extensively? Hold the minus button and trigger recoup mode.

I have done +110 miles days on the ST5 using recoup. Coming down a 2600 feet mountain climb I can recoup a significant amount of energy.
This is not regen braking you get when triggering the brake switch.
 
Umm yeah... point taken ! my bad. if you keep hitting the minus button it will activate the motor brake which will very drastically slow your descent, to the point where you don't need to pull the brake lever at all. There are several levels of intensity that can be chosen to suit the situation. One ,therefore must choose the appropriate level of brake regen or it will stop you if the grade isn't steep enough.Very useful on long descents but not much fun.
On the flat lightly pulling the lever will activate the motor ( brake/ regen) and slow you down with the effect that the brake pads and rotors are less solicited and have a much longer usable life.
Don’t forget that in recoup mode, you can pedal to recover even more energy.
 
I have my brake regen set very low.

For you mountain road riders, on long descents, how much braking power does max level
regen provide?
If you lightly apply brake lever and just engage max regen (and not the brake disc) will it noticeably slow your descent?

Or cruising on the level at 40 kph/ 25 mph, if you just engage the regen, how much will it slow you down?

Very curious about how much braking power that max regen can produce.
Thanks

Not easy to answer without knowing how many amps does Stromer allow at maximum regen.

Given your battery is not fully charged (if so regen will not work), and suppose Stromer maxes out at 10A of regen current you can absorb around 500W of power.

From my personal experience, I used it many times coming down on %6-8 grade longish downhills and it can prevent the bike from gaining speed or slowing it down which is very impressive. With regular brakes I have to use them a lot to keep it slow, feel much better with the regen braking.

Recoupe can be significant on long descents, I think once I added close to %6-7 which was very nice but the main purpose is definitely the braking.

In terms of how much it slows you down that completely depends on the grade of the hill, your weight, the regen level you select etc.

Btw regen braking whether activated by brakes or set at a constant level from the menu is fundamentally the same, just different levels.
 
I've had my ST5 abs for a few months now but not to sure how to use the regen!! I know that if I lower my assistance, lets say from 2 to 1 to 0 and minus a few more time and "regen" with arrows appears then....not sure what's next. Possibly not doing the right thing. Can someone guide me on the procedure?
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I've had my ST5 abs for a few months now but not to sure how to use the regen!! I know that if I lower my assistance, lets say from 2 to 1 to 0 and minus a few more time and "regen" with arrows appears then....not sure what's next. Possibly not doing the right thing. Can someone guide me on the procedure?View attachment 169256
Go down a hill
- hold minus (does not matter which assist mode holding minus will trigger recoup / regen)
- tap minus and will select how much regen it will allow. More arrow means stronger / slow down faster.
- hold either plus or minus again to switch of regen mode.
 
Perfect....work very well just got to get use to it!! Since I'm in Florida for the Winter, it's hard to test/use because this State is flat, no hill!! I have to use overpass to try it. After a few rides it should be OK. Thanks again
 
While I'm at it another question for ST-5 owner's and maybe other: On my Omny I have 2 choices: Either I press LOCK or STOP. In both case I have to enter my PIN to unlock....and I couldn't find any difference between the 2. Previous to this ST-5 I had a ST1X. On that bike if I pressed Lock I would have to enter my PIN to get going. If I pressed stop, the bike wasn't lock...just standby. I find this strange that there is 2 different function to achieve the same result!!! On the ST5 one can't turn the light off unless you press one of the 2 so I have to enter the PIN again unless I wait some 5 min for it to go dormant. Then the light would go off and it's ready to go w/o the pin!!! Strange!!! Beside that I love this bike big time.
Thanks in advance.
 

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While I'm at it another question for ST-5 owner's and maybe other: On my Omny I have 2 choices: Either I press LOCK or STOP. In both case I have to enter my PIN to unlock....and I couldn't find any difference between the 2. Previous to this ST-5 I had a ST1X. On that bike if I pressed Lock I would have to enter my PIN to get going. If I pressed stop, the bike wasn't lock...just standby. I find this strange that there is 2 different function to achieve the same result!!! On the ST5 one can't turn the light off unless you press one of the 2 so I have to enter the PIN again unless I wait some 5 min for it to go dormant. Then the light would go off and it's ready to go w/o the pin!!! Strange!!! Beside that I love this bike big time.
Thanks in advance.
It’s Lock or Off.
In lock mode you can’t push it around and a slow drain on battery.(cuz it’s on)

Menu - Settings - Startup (to turn off PIN on startup.)
 
All is good now...even coming to a light I'm starting to use the recupp....and now I'm wondering if I had this on my ST1X...not that it's important since I don't have it anymore but it would have been nice to know!!! Thanks again guys.
 
Go down a hill
- hold minus (does not matter which assist mode holding minus will trigger recoup / regen)
- tap minus and will select how much regen it will allow. More arrow means stronger / slow down faster.
- hold either plus or minus again to switch of regen mode.
THANK YOU for this info!! Question - how does the regen with the brake work? On my 2015 ST1, the regen would start anytime you slightly pull down on the brake lever. Is it the same on the new Stromers? Does the display indicate that regen is occurring? In the past, the regen braking on my old Stromer was a nice way to keep control of the speed without having to hold down on the brakes all the way. Perhaps the new Stromers don't need to do that, as their brakes seem in a lot better control of the bike?
 
Here's my way to long description of why I love and how I use regen on my ST3 Pinion.

I live in a hilly area... so recup is very useful for me. Although most folks don't think there could be a use of recup in flat areas... as a simple substitute for squeezing the brake levers... but there is! Once I got used to using long-press on the "-" button to invoke recup, then using the + & - buttons to adjust recup up and down, I rarely squeeze the brake levers for light braking at all anymore. Whether you use the new "Cruise Control" version of recup, or the old school regular version, (more about those, below) you can always use it for braking on flat roads. Admittedly, however, recup shines the most when used in the hills.

Another less discussed advantage of recup (and this, IMHO, is the most important one) is that using regen significantly reduces disc brake pad wear. Many Stromer owners report not needing to replace pads, even after 1000's of km. Frankly, I am not in love with the Stromer brakes... I find them a bit coarse and noisy (compared to the sweet brakes I have on my Gazelle)... so using recup regularly, to slow and almost stop, has become my braking of choice.

Recup modes: Old school vs Cruise Control. The recently added Cruise Control version of recup (an unfortunate name... because it is not the same thing as cruise control in cars), is basically a way to set a speed above which the bike will be automatically slowed via recup (regen)... and below which recup will be decreased to zero. So you can nicely use it when descending a hill to keep your speed from rising too high. You may not think that would be useful... but there are times when you might normally have to reach for the brakes to keep your bike from becoming a "runaway train". With cruise control, the bike handles the speed maintenance. So, by setting the cruise speed, the bike keeps you from accelerating beyond a certain speed, but removes recup below that speed. Maybe you are descending and you know there is a turn coming up for which you will clearly need to decelerate. So you can set the cruise (recup) speed to what you want... and you bike will be controlled to roll no faster than the speed you set, until you either change the set speed or deactivate cruise control. The old school recup mode simply applies a set amount of recup force (4 levels of your choice) and it maintains a uniform amount of braking (as opposed to a set speed) until you change the level or disable recup. Some folks like that because it is a known and predictable amount of recup braking. The downside was that it might slow you more than you want and you have to spend time and mental energy changing the recup level or disabling it to achieve the amount slowing you want. The new Cruise Control version will modulate the amount of regen (through the same 4 levels of recup available in old school recup) based on how much faster than the speed you have set the bike is going. So if you are rolling at 30mph and set Cruise speed at 20mph, the bike will invoke a massive amount of recup at first and decrease the amount of recup as the bike's speed approaches the set speed. Once you reach the set speed the recup goes to zero (but will return if the bike wants to speed up). You set the Cruise speed by long-pressing (about 1 second) the minus button. This sets the cruise speed at the current speed. Then you quickly press the + or - buttons rerpeatedly to increase or decrease the set speed by a set increment (this increment is defined in your recup settings panel in OMNI. I have my increment set at 1mph. Which means each tap of a + or - button raises or lowers the cruise speed by 1 mph. The settings defaults to a 5mph increment! WAY to big a jump for me).

Unfortunately you cannot switch bewteen the two recup modes while riding. This must be done from the OMNI settings menu. From that menu you select "Recup" or "Cruise" modes. You also can set the Cruise set speed increment number. There is also a new feature that allows you to cancel recup simply by pedaling. Previously your only option to cancel recup was to long press on the minus key. Now you have an additional cancel option... by pedaling. So in settings, you can now set how much pedal force it takes to cancel recup. I have mine set to one tick above the lowest. Some folks want to be able to pedal the bike a bit before recup cancels. I assume to do some work while descending without using any battery. And I have heard some folks actually want to charge the battery by pedaling in recup mode. This would require the pedal force setting be set to very high.

How much battery recharging does recup give me? The official Stromer figure is, I think, 5-15% regen efficiency. That's a hard concept to think about. In practical terms... for me? Here's an example in my world. I have a 983kwh battery. When I descend a local hill that is approximately 2 miles long and drops about 1000 feet, I can see a 1-3% battery charge increase. So, depending on how far you get from your battery (most folks get 50-100miles on a charge, depending on riding style, assistance etc etc) that represents a potential 0.5-3 mile increase in riding range, from my example hill here. Not too shabby. Of course, remember, I used approx 5-10% of the battery to climb that hill... so that's roughly where the Stromer official 5-15% efficiency figure comes from. And remember, decreased brake wear also factors in as a 'return on investment'. And a tiny amount of carbon footprint decrease, by recharging the battery on descents!

So, in a nutshell, I use Cruise Control all the time... on the flats to do light braking and in the hills to control my speed on descents. It lightly recharges the battery, keeps my hands on the grips, saves brake pads and is just generally (geeky) fun!
 
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Here's my way to long description of why I love and how I use regen on my ST3 Pinion.

I live in a hilly area... so recup is very useful for me. Although most folks don't think there could be a use of recup in flat areas... as a simple substitute for squeezing the brake levers... but there is! Once I got used to using long-press on the "-" button to invoke recup, then using the + & - buttons to adjust recup up and down, I rarely squeeze the brake levers for light braking at all anymore. Whether you use the new "Cruise Control" version of recup, or the old school regular version, (more about those, below) you can always use it for braking on flat roads. Admittedly, however, recup shines the most when used in the hills.

Another less discussed advantage of recup (and this, IMHO, is the most important one) is that using regen significantly reduces disc brake pad wear. Many Stromer owners report not needing to replace pads, even after 1000's of km. Frankly, I am not in love with the Stromer brakes... I find them a bit coarse and noisy (compared to the sweet brakes I have on my Gazelle)... so using recup regularly, to slow and almost stop, has become my braking of choice.

Recup modes: Old school vs Cruise Control. The recently added Cruise Control version of recup (an unfortunate name... because it is not the same thing as cruise control in cars), is basically a way to set a speed above which the bike will be automatically slowed via recup (regen)... and below which recup will be decreased to zero. So you can nicely use it when descending a hill to keep your speed from rising too high. You may not think that would be useful... but there are times when you might normally have to reach for the brakes to keep your bike from becoming a "runaway train". With cruise control, the bike handles the speed maintenance. So, by setting the cruise speed, the bike keeps you from accelerating beyond a certain speed, but removes recup below that speed. Maybe you are descending and you know there is a turn coming up for which you will clearly need to decelerate. So you can set the cruise (recup) speed to what you want... and you bike will be controlled to roll no faster than the speed you set, until you either change the set speed or deactivate cruise control. The old school recup mode simply applies a set amount of recup force (4 levels of your choice) and it maintains a uniform amount of braking (as opposed to a set speed) until you change the level or disable recup. Some folks like that because it is a known and predictable amount of recup braking. The downside was that it might slow you more than you want and you have to spend time and mental energy changing the recup level or disabling it to achieve the amount slowing you want. The new Cruise Control version will modulate the amount of regen (through the same 4 levels of recup available in old school recup) based on how much faster than the speed you have set the bike is going. So if you are rolling at 30mph and set Cruise speed at 20mph, the bike will invoke a massive amount of recup at first and decrease the amount of recup as the bike's speed approaches the set speed. Once you reach the set speed the recup goes to zero (but will return if the bike wants to speed up). You set the Cruise speed by long-pressing (about 1 second) the minus button. This sets the cruise speed at the current speed. Then you quickly press the + or - buttons rerpeatedly to increase or decrease the set speed by a set increment (this increment is defined in your recup settings panel in OMNI. I have my increment set at 1mph. Which means each tap of a + or - button raises or lowers the cruise speed by 1 mph. The settings defaults to a 5mph increment! WAY to big a jump for me).

Unfortunately you cannot switch bewteen the two recup modes while riding. This must be done from the OMNI settings menu. From that menu you select "Recup" or "Cruise" modes. You also can set the Cruise set speed increment number. There is also a new feature that allows you to cancel recup simply by pedaling. Previously your only option to cancel recup was to long press on the minus key. Now you have an additional cancel option... by pedaling. So in settings, you can now set how much pedal force it takes to cancel recup. I have mine set to one tick above the lowest. Some folks want to be able to pedal the bike a bit before recup cancels. I assume to do some work while descending without using any battery. And I have heard some folks actually want to charge the battery by pedaling in recup mode. This would require the pedal force setting be set to very high.

How much battery recharging does recup give me? The official Stromer figure is, I think, 5-15% regen efficiency. That's a hard concept to think about. In practical terms... for me? Here's an example in my world. I have a 983kwh battery. When I descend a local hill that is approximately 2 miles long and drops about 1000 feet, I can see a 1-3% battery charge increase. So, depending on how far you get from your battery (most folks get 50-100miles on a charge, depending on riding style, assistance etc etc) that represents a potential 0.5-3 mile increase in riding range, from my example hill here. Not too shabby. Of course, remember, I used approx 5-10% of the battery to climb that hill... so that's roughly where the Stromer official 5-15% efficiency figure comes from. And remember, decreased brake wear also factors in as a 'return on investment'. And a tiny amount of carbon footprint decrease, by recharging the battery on descents!

So, in a nutshell, I use Cruise Control all the time... on the flats to do light braking and in the hills to control my speed on descents. It lightly recharges the battery, keeps my hands on the grips, saves brake pads and is just generally (geeky) fun!
WOW! Thank you for that awesome guide!!!

If you don't feel like answering another question, I totally understand, but just wondering if I switch to old school recup in the Omni app, if that means that the half pull of the brake level triggers the recup, similar to the way it works on the early models. As you said, this is VERY helpful, because instead of wearing your brakes down, you can use this with a little strategic riding in order to stop/slow down when you need to.
 
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