I know it's part of PFBs model legislation document but I have not noticed if a speedometer is required in every state adopting 3-class. Just because it's in the primer doesn't mean it's automatically in the state law.
Unreal. I have said that I like the one federal definition (class if you want to call it that) and now you are saying I'm the only one that cares if they call it class 1 & 2. You have been saying the different classes are needed...not me.
Lol man, please find someone in DC gov who agrees with you.
Funny "the clock to stop" ... did I say that? I do think there are some potential value adding updates to CPSC 1512 (CPSC has even provided a list of potential updates) but none are deemed urgent.
I assume you mean the Creo (their road bike). It does have a screen built into the top tube, but not sure if it can display speed. The also sell an external screen unit. Not sure how they handle it, but it’s possible the built in screen shows speed if not synced to a phone or external screen, and other stuff if so. All the promotional images show it displaying battery life so not really sure. Maybe someone who has one can chime in.
Can you read? DC does not recognize any ebike classes in their regulation. You thinking they do does not make it true. They have one definition and it does allow assist beyond 20mph if you read it like the federal definition (keep in mind PFBs has even stated this so denying that is claiming that class 3 should not exist).
It doesn't impact interstate commerce. All the laws and regs have the same baseline, 750 watts. From there it's just a matter of programming. If one state allows 20 mph and another allows 28, the same bike can be used for both, all that's needed is different programming. It's not asking too much of industry for them to adjust programming.
We been providing great detail to you for years!
Yea the Crea...I can't remember every model but it's Specialized top speed pedelec. They display battery and assist level. Don't just ramble on about some external screen that does not exist.
Translation: "I can't find anyone in or involved with DC government who agrees with my interpretation."
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Really....that is an answer. So you think different programming for each state would not be an interstate commerce issue (if not for a few then different for each no issue either...right?). What if I wanted to ride the same ebike across the country?
I edited my post to reflect that (I asked a friend with a Creo and he says no speedo). Like most people who buy one of those, he rides with a separate cycle computer so hes compliant with VA law anyway. You asked how Specialized handles it, I'm just speculating. They make an external display that works with all their bikes, so maybe at point of sale they just say you either need your own computer or one of those to be legally compliant? The code doesn't say the bike needs to be sold with one, nor does it need to be integral, it just needs to have one you can see during use.
Is the DC law 3-class or not? You claim it is but I see no reference to any class in their ebike law.Translation: "I can't find anyone in or involved with DC government who agrees with my interpretation."
Also Ken 2021 disagrees with Ken 2019, who agreed DC laws treated 28 mph ebikes differently
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JR is actually right, I'm a woodworker and paint and finish availability does vary by state. Its not 50 different formulations, but there are some products that you can't get in some states but can in others (or even products that can be bought by the gallon in one state but is limited to quarts in others).
DC adopted class 1 and class 2 in all but name (motor limits and assist speed are identical, they just don't call them class 1 and class 2).
So if a REQUIREMENT why wouldn't Specialized install a speedometer on a $10,000+ ebike? I had just read that some other manufactures were also ignoring the speedometer ?requirement? because 3-class has zero standing with what is sold in the US.
WTF. Are you serious? By your new standard then the federal definition is the same as 3-class as it encompasses all 3 classes so they are same in "all but name alone." This is going way off the rational rails....you are embarrassing yourself. If a state adopts the class system then I think it's fair to assume their will be more than just one common definition for a compliant ebike.
I'm not going to dive into paint VOC and residential construction codes in this discussion about ebike regulations. Next you guys will question we landed on the moon. I do not just accept that if paint is safety regulated by the CPSC or other federal agency that it would allow each state to have a unique VOC requirement. I just don't have time to deal with every sidetrack claim you guys make.
Because its not a point of sale requirement? The code here in VA just says "All class three electric power-assisted bicycles shall be equipped with a speedometer that displays the speed the bicycle is traveling in miles per hour." It doesn't say they are required to be sold with one. Something like a basic Planet Bike or Cateye wheel magnet computer would suffice, as would any of the common GPS devices made by Wahoo or Garmin. I read that as "if you get a speeding ticket on your class 3, you can't use "I didn't know how fast I was going!" as a defense"
The point is that there are all kinds of national standards, but states still have the final say in most things. It is, for better or worse, a fairly universal feature of our system of government that states have pretty wide leeway to do their own thing regardless of what the fed says. It the way things are in a wide variety of industries, from building to education to vehicle codes.
